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To: freeplancer
Here is a fact for you; the LDS church stopped plural marriage in 1890 (look it up). It is a fact that the last “known” black slaves were discovered in 1902. Look it up and have a nice day if you can.

You're being 100% inconsistent. It's a known fact that the U.S. govt stopped slavery by the end of 1865 and that a few cases of slavery extended beyond that date. (For sake of argument, let's say 1902).

It's also a known fact that the U.S. govt did its best to halt polygamy -- and that the LDS Church publicly (and finally) kicked in at 1890...but like slavery, thousands of cases extended beyond that date.

First of all, the LDS church in most cases didn't force existing polygamous families to break up.

As for new plural marriages that were privately approved by LDS leaders, authors like B. Carmon Hardy have been able to document at least 220 between 1890 and 1910. You can look that up in Hardy's book, A Solemn Covenant, in the appendix.

Since I'll assume you won't bother to look it up, I'll narrow it down for you. Here are the Mormon men who took additional Mormon wives beyond 1901... Source is Solemn Covenant: The Mormon Polygamous Passage, B. Carmon Hardy, University of IL Press, 1992, Appendix.

You'll count 107 plural Mormon marriages that occurred (and were privately approved and solemnized by LDS leaders) between 1902 and 1910. So, while I'm open to concede that you are right about slavery still being practiced in 1902...how willing are you to concede these plural marriages took place between 1902-1910? And if you're not, lurkers please note: This is exactly why our jury system eliminates those with a conflict of interest...anything that shows realistic Mormon history is censored from their own minds and from open public discussion.

1902: (30) -- Isaac Alldredge, Jr. took a 2nd living wife, Maria D. Van Leuven, 8/16/02. Orin Elbridge Barney, took a 2nd living wife, Sarah Eliza Fenn, 8/16/02. Erastus Beck took a 2nd living wife, Pearl Whiting, 1902. Heber Bennion took a 2nd/3rd living wife, Mary Bringhurst, Dec. 1902. Henry Eyring Bowman took a 2nd living wife, Wilehlmina Walser, 11/27/02. Orson Pratt Brown, who married a Romney as his first wife, took a 3rd/4th living wife 9/7/02. Willard Call took a 2nd living wife, Leah Pratt, 8/18/02. Lewis Mousely Cannon, took a 2nd living wife, Lilian Hamlin, 1902. Thomas Moulton Carroll, took a 2nd living wife, Effie Vilate Porter, 1902. Thomas Chamberlain, III, took a 2nd living wife, Christina Larsen, 3/12/02. Jabez Erastus Durfee too a 2nd/3rd living wife, Mary Frances Adams, 8/02. Joel Sixtus Eagar, took a 3rd living wife, Emily Jane Lee, 8/16/02. Charles Fredrick Gardner, took a 2nd living wife, Sarah Ellen Cox, 3/9/02. Isaac Henry Grace took a 2nd living wife, Kathryn Sorensen, 1902. Geo. Wm. Hardy took a 3rd living wife, Betsy Ann Butler, 1902. Josiah Edwin Hickman took a 2nd living wife, Helen J. Hansen, 1/02. Thomas Heddock Hilton took a 2nd living wife, Josephine McMurrin, 1902. John Jacob Huber took a 2nd living wife, Percis Lulu Maxham, 8/16/02. Philip Harrison Hurst took a 3rd living wife, Georgeanna Jones, 12/24/02. Joseph Jackson took a 2nd/3rd living wife, Maria Jones, 12/2/02. Samuel Walter Jarvis took a 2nd living wife, Pearley Taylor, 10/28/02. Walter Beers Lewis took a 2nd living wife, Esther D. Wilson, 5/17/02. Charles W. WLillywhite took a 2nd living wife, Abigail E. Lee, 8/18/02. George C. Parkinson took a 2nd living wife, Fannie Woolley, 1/17/02. Miles Archibald Romney took a 2nd/3rd living wife, Elizabeth Burrell, 9/13/02 and then another wife, Emily Burrell, 11/2/09 -- with at least two previous marriages still intact. Wm Henry Smart took a 2nd living wife, Mary Elizabeth Wallace, 1902. John Amasa Whetten took a 2nd living wife Martha E. Carling 2/23/03. David King Udall took a 3rd living wife, Mary Morgan in 1903. John Thomas Whetten took a 4th living wife Ludie Ellis 3/6/03. Guy Carlton Wilson took a 2nd living wife, Agnes M. Stevens, 3/13/02 and then a 3rd living wife, Anna Lowrie Ivins, 5/13/03.

1903: (31 total -- 30 + 1 listed in 1902 above) -- Heber S. Allen took a 2nd living wife, Elizabeth Hardy, 9/19/03. Byron Harvey Allred, Jr., took a 2nd living wife, Mary Evelyn Clark, 7/15/03. John Allen Bagley took a 2nd/3rd living wife, Mary M. Peterson, in 1903. John C. Beecroft, took a 2nd living wife, Lettie A. Farnsworth, 2/23/03. Edwin Turpin Bennion, took a 3rd living wife, Agnes S. Campbell, 9/03. Jens Christian Breinholt took a 3rd/4th living wife, Margrethe L. Hansen, 1/20/03. Benjamin B. Brown took a 2nd living wife, Mary Vilate Hansen, 8/26/03. Anson Bowen Call, took a 3rd/4th living wife, Julia Sarah Abegg, 1/21/03. Louis Paul Cardon, took a 2nd/3rd living wife, Mary Irene Pratt, 11/11/03. James Franklin Carroll, took a 2nd living wife, Annie Eliza Burrell, 1/19/03. Arthur Benjamin Clark took two additional wives in 1903-- either his 2nd/3rd or 3rd/4th...they were Marinda E. Griffeth, March, 1903, and Ethel A. Shirley, 9/29/03. Hyrum Albert Cluff, took a 2nd living wife, Delilah F. Humphrey, 2/8/03. Abraham Done, took a 3rd living wife, Ellen P. Moffett, 6/5/03. James Gledhill Duffin, took a 2nd living wife, Amelia Carling, 7/27/03. Edward Christian Eyring took a 2nd Romney wife, Emma Romney, 11/3/03. Arthur Wm. Hart took a 2nd living wife, Evadyna Henderson, 8/21/03. Daniel Brooks Jones took a 2nd living wife, Rhoda Ann Merrill, 3/10/03. Jorgen S. Jorgensen took a 2nd living wife, Johanna L. Iborg shortly before the death of his first wife, 11/25/03 (his first wife died in 1904). Franklin Dewey Leavitt took a 2nd living wife, Jane Glenn, 9/11/03. Morris Mickelsen took a 2nd living wife, Mathilda Sorensen, 10/03. Reuben G. Miller Jr. took a 2nd living wife, Martha Nelson, 6/25/03. Wm. Albert Morton took a 2nd living wife, Josephine Erickson, 6/13/03. George Conrad Naegle, who already took a Romney as a plural wife, had his 4th and 5th wives in 1903 with at least both his 2nd & 3rd wives still living, both on 11/18/03 -- Jennie D. Jameson and Philinda Keeler [how would other women like to share their wedding date with the same man?]. John Conrad Naegle, Jr. took a 2nd living wife, Millicent Jameson, 8/31/03. Edward Wm. Payne took a 2nd/3rd living wife, Rosalia Tenny, 3/1/03. Mathoni W. Pratt took a 2nd living wife, Agnes Jones Ure, 6/25/03. Byron Sessions took a 2nd living wife, Janet Easton, 8/14/03. Joseph Marion Tanner took a 5th living wife, Sarah Taylor Evans, in 1903 and followed that up with Lydia Holmgren in 1904. Joseph Francis Thomas took a 2nd living wife, Ethel G. Mickelsen, 7/22/03. Henry Ernest Wynder took a 2nd living wife Maud Ellen Skinner, 8/4/03.

1904: (19 total -- 18 + 1 listed in 1903 listing above) -- Richard Daniel Brown, Jr. took a 2nd living wife, 5/20/04. George Henry Budd took a 2nd living wife, Mary Jane Duke, 9/26/04. Rudger Clawson took a 3rd living wife, Pearl Udall [related to Udall senators] 8/3/04. Nathan Clayson, took a 3rd/4th living wife, Avaline Mills in 1904. William Davis Cummings, took a 2nd living wife, Zina Thayne, March 1904. Heber Erastus Farr took a 2nd living wife, Rangmilda Bluth, 3/25/04. Victor C. Hegsted took a 2nd living wife, Hannah Grover, 5/1/04. Fredrick W. Jones, Jr. took a 2nd living wife, Laura Ann Moffett, 3/1/04. Don Moroni LeBaron took a 3rd wife, Mary Jane Pearce, 11/14/04. Walter Clisbee Lyman took a 2nd living wife, Lucy Halls, 9/04. Olonzo David Merrill took a 2nd living wife, Mary Laura Hansen, 2/23/04. Brigham Horace Pierce took a 2nd/3rd living wife, Sarah Ellen Harris, 3/11/04. Charles Edmund Richardson took a 3rd/4th living wife, Daisie Stout, 3/13/04. John Askie Silver took a 2nd living wife, Nell Young Clawson, 1/31/04. Jesse Moroni Smith took a 2nd living wife, Priscilia Smith, 1/5/04. Henry Smith Tanner took a 4th living wife, Louetta Brown, 1/16/04 and a 4th/5th living wife, Colombia Richards, 2/1/09. James Thompson took a 3rd/4th living wife, Bertha J. Nielsen, 3/3/04. Edward James Wood took a 2nd living wife, Adelaide Solomon, 2/1/04. Charles Woolfenden took a 2nd living wife Marion G. Reynolds, 12/31/04.

1905: (4) Frederick Beesley took a 2nd living wife, Kate Rawlings, 4/21/05. Matthias Foss Cowley, took a 4th living wife, Lenora Taylor, 9/16/05. John Taylor Smellie took a 2nd living wife, Esther Ruth Kirkham, 8/3/05. Ernest Guy Taylor took a 3rd living wife, Lilly S. Hicks, 9/16/05.

1906: (3) Dan Muir took a 2nd living wife, Georgenia Barlow, 6/14/06. William Gailey Sears took a 2nd living wife, Athelia Viiola Call, 2/21/06. Alonzo Leander Taylor took a 2nd living wife, Katie P. Spilsbury, 1/1/06.

1907: (6) Francis Neil Bunker, took a 2nd living wife, Evelyn Rachel Cox, 10/29/07. Heber Otto Chlarson, took a 2nd living wife, Ida Wilson, 9/18/07. John Reese Evans took a 2nd living wife, Catherine E. Durfee, 10/8/07. Joseph White Musser took a 3rd living wife, Ellis R. Shipp, 7/24/07. Samuel John Robinson took a 3rd living wife, Maud Elizabeth Heder, Summer 2007. Lycurgus Arnold Wilson took a 2nd/3rd/4th living wife, Julia Ann Glines, 4/15/07.

1908: (3) -- Edwin Evans took a 2nd AND 3rd living wife, Minnervva A. Clark, 6/6/08 and Louisa A. Clark, 6/5/09. Theodore McKean, Jr. took a 2nd/3rd living wife, Maud E. Baggarley, 1908. Judson Tolman took a plural wife in 1908, Eleanor Odd.

1909: (9 total -- 6 + 1 mentioned in 1902 listing and another in 1904 listing and another in 1908 listing): Israel Barlow, III took a 2nd living wife, Alice Belva Welling, 6/3/09. Alpha Jedde Higgs took a 2nd living wife, Elizabeth A. Badger, 2/1/09. Charles Gill Jarman, took a 2nd living wife, Emma Bessie Collis, 7/4/09. Warren Longhurst took a 2nd/3rd living wife, Eva Allred, 11/17/09. Donald Alpine McGregor took a 2nd living wife, Bertha P. Watson, 6/5/09. John Whitaker Taylor took a 4th/ 5th/6th living wife, Ellen G. Sandberg, 6/23/09.

1910: (2)-- Ernest Leander Taylor took a 3rd/4th living wife, Rosalie Alexander, 4/13/10. Geo. Wm. Willis took a 3rd living wife, Louisa M. Patterson in June 1910.

Note: The reason for slashes above such as 2nd/3rd or 3rd/4th or 4th/5th is because the date of death isn't noted for an earlier wife...therefore, if she was deceased the wife # is the lower figure...if she was still alive, the higher #.

52 posted on 02/22/2009 1:10:45 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Not to jump too far into your discussion, but there are probably around 20,000 slaves in the US today, according to some sources. Some of them are sex slaves, kept in line by threats against their family (guess which country most are from.) It’s not formally called slavery anymore, just “do what I tell you or I’ll kill you and your family.”


53 posted on 02/22/2009 1:13:52 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Colofornian; freeplancer

Colofornian,

I would like to suggest that freeplancer may not be whom they say they are.

If freeplancer was against the Mormon church they might pretend to be a Mormon then throw out blatant lies to stick the proverbial stick in the hornets nest. This in turn makes people believe that all Mormons believe crazy revisionist history.

I don’t believe freeplancer to be a Mormon. Freeplancer makes posts that seem to line up with Mormon beliefs then throws in the blatant lies to stir the pot.


61 posted on 02/24/2009 12:14:47 AM PST by pennyfarmer (Shiite Muslim named Bob.)
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