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Posted on 03/06/2009 4:41:09 PM PST by rocco55

Subject: Info on Snopes.com Always figured there was something to this. They're the ones that said that this thing with obama's birth certificate was untrue. Now we know.....

For the past few years www.snopes.com has positioned itself, or others have labeled it, as the 'tell all final word' on any comment, claim and email.

But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind snopes.com. Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it - kinda makes you wonder what they were hiding. Well, finally we know. It is run by a husband and wife team - that's right, no big office of investigators and researchers, no team of lawyers. It's just a mom-and-pop operation that began as a hobby.

David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the website about 13 years ago - and they have no formal background or experience in investigative research. After a few years it gained popularity believing it to be unbiased and neutral, but over the past couple of years people started asking questions who was behind it and did they have a selfish motivation? The reason for the questions - or skepticisms - is a result of snopes.comclaiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issue when in fact they have been proven wrong. Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the 'true' bottom of various issues. I can personally vouch for that complaint.

A few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the internet, 'supposedly' the Mikkelson's claim to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com. In their statement they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort 'ever' took place.

I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this and I gave him Bud Gregg's contact phone numbers - and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big exec's at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with him about it. He never called Bud. In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone with State Farm. Yet, snopes.com issued a statement as the 'final factual word' on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things - not!

Then it has been learned the Mikkelson's are very Democratic (party) and extremely liberal. As we all now know from this presidential election, liberals have a purposeful agenda to discredit anything that appears to be conservative. There has been much criticism lately over the internet with people pointing out the Mikkelson's liberalism revealing itself in their website findings. Gee, what a shock?

So, I say this now to everyone who goes to www.snopes.com to get what they think to be the bottom line facts...'proceed with caution.' Take what it says at face value and nothing more. Use it only to lead you to their references where you can link to and read the sources for yourself. Plus, you can always google a subject and do the research yourself. It now seems apparent that's all the Mikkelson's do. After all, I can personally vouch from my own experience for their 'not' fully looking into things.

Danny Simpson In God We Trust God Bless America!

I have seen this email before and checked it out on TruthorFiction.com, http://www.truthorfiction.com/search.htm , Your might go there and enter "Snopes" in their search box. I now use both "Snopes" and "Truth or Fiction" to check out the things I have seen on the internet. A good rule of thumb to follow is that the only real truth is God's word and all else is to be scrutinized from all angles. My grand pappy once said, "Use your common sense, it's a better guide than most anything else." He also said, "Common sense is just another name for the Holy Spirit."

Maybe SNOPES stand for

(S)ilencing (N)etwork (O)n (P)resident (E)ligibility (S)uits !


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; usurper

1 posted on 03/06/2009 4:41:09 PM PST by rocco55
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To: rocco55

Snopes, Wiki, factcheck.


2 posted on 03/06/2009 4:42:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: rocco55

(S)ilencing (N)etwork (O)n (P)resident (E)ligibility (S)uits !

sure does.....they are all sticking together like fleas...


3 posted on 03/06/2009 4:45:01 PM PST by nbhunt
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To: cripplecreek

rocco?
Is that a first or last name?
I know a few up in PA


4 posted on 03/06/2009 4:45:47 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: rocco55

I’ve known Snopes has been lefty for years. Anything negative to do with Bush won’t be a “false” but a yellow “possible” but they sure will put the TRUE in red when it is something bad.

They did an article on them back in the late 1990’s and they looked like trailer trash.

Snopes the final answer? I don’t think so and anyone who tells me that the birth certificate issue is settled because Snopes says so I immediately call an idiot. When you are are so stupid that you take the word of a website over the lack of evidence submitted to a court of law...

aw hell, I think I just figured out how we got the loser in the White House in the first place.


5 posted on 03/06/2009 4:46:14 PM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: rocco55

Snopes, like The Huffington Post, MoveOn.org, Or the Obama Administration, is just another Soros Funded leftist group.


6 posted on 03/06/2009 4:47:28 PM PST by AJ in NYC (Liberals are ill-mannered children)
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To: cripplecreek

yep.


7 posted on 03/06/2009 4:51:32 PM PST by sauropod (Mean Capitalist Bastard)
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To: rocco55
I have used Snopes on several occasions.

Until now, before reading the article I realize that I was a sap. Of course it makes complete sense to consider the source, all sources.

What was I thinking?

Thanks for this!

8 posted on 03/06/2009 4:52:25 PM PST by Radix (22;22 EST, 13 Feb 2009, C-Span2, Silent wait for Sen to come bury USA after burying his Mom)
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To: Kansas58

I know a guy named Roque. (first name) Not sure how he ended up with it since he’s polish.


9 posted on 03/06/2009 4:52:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: rocco55

Snopes sometimes gets it right, but I essentially only rely on it when it nails a LEFTY hobgoblin. It’s sort of like reading that rare editorial in (say) the Washington Post arguing, “Hey, Democrats Should Confirm Estrada,” etc. Then, I can at least say, “EVEN Snopes says this is baloney.”


10 posted on 03/06/2009 4:52:48 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Radix
I meant that I was a sap before reading the article, and not after. Well, not a sap for the same reasons.

Gosh it is tough when icons are thrown down.

11 posted on 03/06/2009 4:54:35 PM PST by Radix (22;22 EST, 13 Feb 2009, C-Span2, Silent wait for Sen to come bury USA after burying his Mom)
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To: rocco55
Leftist or not, they are right about the birther nonsense.

You know what they say about broken clocks...

12 posted on 03/06/2009 4:56:20 PM PST by curiosity
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To: rocco55

Snopes is fine for the non-political stuff (urban legends, spam emails, etc) but we always have to be careful with personal biases on the political stuff.


13 posted on 03/06/2009 4:56:25 PM PST by Anti-MSM (Personal responsibility...what a concept!)
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To: Kansas58

Rocco is not from PA


14 posted on 03/06/2009 4:58:15 PM PST by rocco55
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To: rocco55
You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out that if Hussein didn't have something to hide he wouldn't be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on lawyers’ fees fighting numerous court actions in numerous states when a $12.50 Birth Certificate would resolve all issues.

next...

15 posted on 03/06/2009 4:58:34 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Anti-MSM

GO here and learn:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/snopes.htm


16 posted on 03/06/2009 4:58:44 PM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: rocco55

17 posted on 03/06/2009 5:16:26 PM PST by BobbyT
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To: autumnraine

Yes you’ve figured it out! Astonishing isn’t it when you look around and find that the whole world is run by a bunch of lefty idiots!


18 posted on 03/06/2009 5:30:12 PM PST by chris_bdba
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I use snopes for various email types of things. The ones people send around at work, like the email about the 1,500 pound grizzly that ate two campers, complete with pictures and all.

Things like that. (That one gave me nightmares, even after I found out it was a hoax.)

I just paste the link into the emails and send them back to the users.

I figured out from day one they are leftists, and ignored anything that had any political flavor to it. They are as trustworthy as Wikipedia and Google in that respect.

19 posted on 03/06/2009 5:40:39 PM PST by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: chris_bdba

Oh.. but our Senator Kyl believes in Snopes. He is becoming an embarrassment too.


20 posted on 03/06/2009 5:41:04 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: rocco55

i wonder who is paying them?


21 posted on 03/06/2009 5:57:19 PM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: rocco55

Whois Record

Registrant:
David Mikkelson
P.O. Box 684
Agoura Hills, CA 91376
US

Domain Name: SNOPES.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Mikkelson, David
P.O. Box 684
Agoura Hills, CA 91376
US
(702) 988-4047 fax: (818) 261-3054

Record expires on 08-Jan-2011.
Record created on 09-Jan-1997.
Database last updated on 6-Mar-2009 14:38:12 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.ACTIVEHOST.COM
NS2.ACTIVEHOST.COM


22 posted on 03/06/2009 5:59:06 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: OregonRancher

Then the questions become who owns/runs truthorfiction.com, and what is their background.


23 posted on 03/06/2009 6:09:32 PM PST by auboy (Men who cannot deceive others are very often successful at deceiving themselves. Samuel Johnson)
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To: rocco55

I stopped buying insurance from State Farm, when it’s management started using pro-feminist, anti-family policies during the ‘90s.


24 posted on 03/06/2009 6:33:12 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: rocco55

And BTW, I don’t care about Snopes. There are other sites that debunk popular myths.


25 posted on 03/06/2009 6:34:38 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: rocco55

I read about the Mikkelson’s Leftist bias many years ago. I only check their site on occasions of blatant non political FW type crap that comes to my email. Then I take their response with a grain of salt.


26 posted on 03/06/2009 6:59:55 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, Call 'em what you will, they ALL have Fairies livin' in their Trees.)
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To: rocco55
From 2003:

Online Rumor Mill Spins Its Own Myth(Snopes.com's leftwing bias undercuts its credibility)

27 posted on 03/06/2009 8:13:42 PM PST by lowbridge ("a little state control wouldn't hurt anybody" - Jerry Brown on the First Amendment)
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To: rocco55

Personally I always use Factcheck.org, Google news or call the DNC directly. If that doesn’t work I’ll check in with George Soros.


28 posted on 03/07/2009 4:06:53 AM PST by AJMCQ (Who is Khalid al-Mansour? You mean Obama didn't get into Harvard on his grades?)
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To: rocco55

This establishes it. Snopes is untrustworthy.


29 posted on 03/07/2009 4:36:27 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: rocco55

Snopes...wasn’t that the name of a family of trashy barn burners and thieves in Faulkner’s stories?


30 posted on 03/07/2009 5:36:50 AM PST by Scanian
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To: rocco55
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Record expires on 08-Jan-2011
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31 posted on 03/07/2009 11:44:21 AM PST by Fawn
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