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1 posted on 05/17/2009 10:43:14 AM PDT by kdot
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I know folks who's kids have been invited to this thing. The lineup of speakers was just about as bad as you describe.

All of my friends opted not to send their kids because of the reservations they had about what they would be hearing while there.

2 posted on 05/17/2009 10:46:40 AM PDT by basil ( It's time to eliminate all "Gun Free Zones")
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To: kdot

I dated a lady a few years ago whose daughter attended this same event. Unfortunately, Hurricane Katrina hit us while she was there, so I really can’t offer much insight into what actually transpired at the event.

I know the young lady had a great time. She came home more committed to her education than before. Hopefully, the event was not overtly political.


4 posted on 05/17/2009 10:49:47 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: kdot
Some opinions about the program.

Looks like it might be a way to learn how to be a lobbyist.

5 posted on 05/17/2009 10:53:01 AM PDT by Daffynition ("If any of you die, can I please have your ammo?" ~ Gator113)
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To: kdot
http://www.northjersey.com/breakingnews/Company_that_ran_botched_inaugural_trip_will_make_good_with_up_to_1_million.html?c=y&page=2

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/education/edlife/leadership-t.html?pagewanted=2

I think I would pass on this. If your kid wants this kind of experience, he or she can volunteer in a local congressional office, and apply for an internship once they get to university. Perhaps your state legislature offers high school internships.

6 posted on 05/17/2009 10:55:37 AM PDT by La Lydia
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A quick internet search reveals some interesting info....

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-26011.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Youth_Leadership_Council

Offhand, it looks like a moneymaking outfit...


7 posted on 05/17/2009 10:55:47 AM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: kdot

Forgot to say: Vienna, VA is a long way from Capitol Hill.


8 posted on 05/17/2009 10:56:51 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: kdot
A comment: "Having worked for this organization, I have to chime in. CYLC is marketed as a non-profit. However, Envision EMI is a for-profit consulting company that runs CYLC and all of their conferences. In addition, Envision is headquarted in Delaware, the most business friendly state in terms of litigation. I think most of the students had a good time at the various conferences that they run, however, I don't think it is appropriate to market this conference as a non-profit when for all practical intents and purposes, it is a for-profit."

Article about CYLC/Envision

Caveat emptor

9 posted on 05/17/2009 10:58:37 AM PDT by Daffynition ("If any of you die, can I please have your ammo?" ~ Gator113)
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In support of this mission, members of the U.S. Congress and over 50 embassies representing countries around the world serve on CYLC’s Honorary Board of Advisors.

CYLC is a nonpartisan, independent organization.

CYLC’s young leaders meet with high-ranking government officials, members of Congress, diplomats, media figures and more—all while partaking in a diverse curriculum and interactive signature simulations. Students gain unprecedented behind-the-scenes access, briefings and events—all of which contribute to the rarest academic experience of a lifetime.

http://www.cylc.org/


10 posted on 05/17/2009 11:03:45 AM PDT by kcvl
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My oldest granddaughter went 7 years ago. We were as surprised as you and had no idea what it was until we talked to the teacher who recommended her. The fee was only around $1,000, then. She raised it all from business in town (very small town), and friends, it helped that her Dad was president of the local Saddle club. Her other grandmother and I bought some new clothes she would need. She given a list of the clothes she would need for 3 different events. She went to Christian Bros University in Memphis and is now in Med school, is also married and one child 1 yr. old.
11 posted on 05/17/2009 11:06:05 AM PDT by lolhelp
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To: kdot

I found this...

Congressional Youth Leadership Council - cylc.org legit?

Can’t dispute the good experiences of the participants, but the operations are not open. Did some research and found this:

1) Non-profit CYLC contracts almost everything to a for-profit company - Envision EMI.
No staff listed on website, administration costs hidden.
Why does a private company have such a major role?
2) CYLC:: Congressional Youth Leadership Council uses a virtual street address in Washington DC.
1700 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Suite 400
The address is shared by other businesses and a virtual office company.

From the research below, I have concerns in supporting CYLC as a public good non-profit organization.

San Diego Soccer Dad


More details:

1) Non-profit CYLC contracts for almost everything to a for-profit company - Envision EMI.
A non-profit for the public good should have fairly paid staff and reasonable fees, with no
personal gain. CYLC is not open about how they operate financially.

From GuideStar nonprofit reports and Forms 990 for donors, grantmakers and businesses (a searchable library of non-profit IRS returns)
$48.1 million expenses in 2005 form 990
of which
16.1 program management fees to Envision EMI
7.7 million lodging and travel
5.3 million printing and postage

Guidestar provides open transparent viewing of how non-profits operate, since they
exist for the public good. CYLC.org website lists no staff, which is unusual.
Envision EMI (Envision EMI - Educate, Motivate, Inspire) appears privately-owned by Richard Rossi.

2) Can’t support that CYLC.org uses a virtual address in Washington DC.
1700 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Suite 400

Google the address and other organizations also use this address such as ...
Worldwide Employee Benefits Network, 1700 Pennsylvania Avenue
Global Energy Alliance Corporation

And they reference this business:
Executive Suites and Virtual Offices in DC, VA, MD - Preferred Offices

******

And this...

Having worked for this organization, I have to chime in. CYLC is marketed as a non-profit. However, Envision EMI is a for-profit consulting company that runs CYLC and all of their conferences. In addition, Envision is headquarted in Delaware, the most business friendly state in terms of litigation. I think most of the students had a good time at the various conferences that they run, however, I don’t think it is appropriate to market this conference as a non-profit when for all practical intents and purposes, it is a for-profit.

******

And...

This has been very useful (my first post on CC). I agree with Alisdad: nothing in the materials says it’s nonprofit, but references to the CYLC Foundation (a charitable 501(c)(3)) are undoubtedly intended to create impression that entire program is non-profit. Make no mistake: profit or not, it’s big business. My 9th grader’s invited to NYLC. My plan’s to task him with researching the organization to make a judgement about whether it’s worth it (let’s see if he finds this thread), including comparing it with other options for that amount.

http://tinyurl.com/qwn4ns


12 posted on 05/17/2009 11:08:36 AM PDT by kcvl
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Well, it is obviously left-wing. So I don’t know what would be the point of it.

There are conservative alternatives. I don’t know them all and you should ASK at each of the following contacts for anything they know of.

But try contacting Young Americans for Freedom, National Journalism Center, the Leadership Institute (they run short courses of 1-2 days but they can probably tell you about Summer long activities by others), Claire Booth Luce Institute.


13 posted on 05/17/2009 11:09:24 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.ShaleOilNow.com)
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The Congressional Youth Leadership Council (CYLC) started as a nonpartisan, United States based organization that is also open to young people from other countries and has been in operation since 1985. The company is owned by parent Envision EMI LLC, based in Vienna VA. It was originally a non-profit 501c3 but is now a for-profit company.

Names of members of the United States Congress appear on an 'honorary board of advisors' ( however the organization is not government run) and foreign embassies, although such endorsements were previously called into question 15 years ago.

The tuition cost to students participating in the programs varies depending on the program experience. The Congressional Youth Leadership Foundation, a 501(c)(3) non-profit, provides need-based scholarships to high-achieving students who have qualified for attendance. Currently, its parent oganization Envision EMI (which is a for-profit) has an "F" rating with the Better Business Bureau

14 posted on 05/17/2009 11:11:33 AM PDT by kcvl
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2009 Inaugural Conference, almost 16,000 delegates were permitted to attend the event, a stark contrast from the mere 1,000 who were allowed to attend in 2005 for the second Inauguration of former President George Bush. Amongst the complaints by delegates include bogus tickets, lack of transportation, lack of beds, working hot water, and sufficient food provided by individual hotels, including the Omni Shoreham and Marriott Windham, an unofficial in-house inaugural ball, overpriced events, and misinformation and misrepresentation by the UPIC and CYLC.

Other shortcomings of the UPIC include the Inauguration Ceremony itself. The tickets for the event were bogus

While the UPIC granted the opportunity to hear keynote speakers such as former Secretary of State Colin Powell and former Vice President Al Gore, some delegates have speculated that the CYLC deliberately overcharged them to make a profit. Considering that 15,300 delegates attended the conference for an average of $3,000 each, the CYLC then made a profit of almost $47,000,000 on this conference alone. Legal action has been threatened against the UPIC and CYLC, parents and delegates are demanding refunds and answers from the company, and delegates have gone as far as to sign petitions, contact local and national media stations, and even write letters to President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden

Senator Lautenberg asked his name to be removed from membership of the advisory board was well, with Lautenberg’s spokesman commenting that “The group at some point converted itself to a for-profit organization, and the senator is seriously concerned about complaints from New Jersey families regarding this group’s inauguration program.”

http://tinyurl.com/prhqmj


16 posted on 05/17/2009 11:16:47 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl; Moseley; lolhelp; Daffynition; ScreamingFist; La Lydia; Islander7; basil
Thanks to all who responded - especially for the links and personal experiences. There is a lot written about this organization - good and bad. It's a lot of money for a conference and isn't the academic honor as it advertises. But I can see some value depending on the child and career objectives.

Thanks again, my FReeper FRiends.

17 posted on 05/17/2009 11:49:22 AM PDT by kdot
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I’m not sure if this is the same group, but my granddaughter was chosen a few years ago and went. It was a good experience for her. I doubt my son would let her go if it was a liberal group sponsoring it.


18 posted on 05/17/2009 12:57:57 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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