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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I am not trying to be argumentative, or insulting. But if you are poor because your land is unworkable, and there is no private or public industry going on around you because it is too far from a transportation factor, or because the people are “unemployable”—what are we supposed to do?

(I know this is going to send some through the roof) If there are treaties, then there is due process. If the treaties were/or are still being violated there must be tons of pro bono legal work to dedicate to getting the wrongs right.

I know this will sound ignorant, but aren’t these people American Citizens? There is no reason why they cannot maintain their land ownership and move to a city to get work, is there? I own property in one state, yet work and reside in another.

Help me to understand what I am missing? Honest...i think there is something that I a missing because it doesnt make a lot of sense to me.


54 posted on 05/18/2009 12:11:53 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ein Volk, Ein Riech, Ein Ein.)
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To: Vermont Lt
If the treaties were/or are still being violated there must be tons of pro bono legal work to dedicate to getting the wrongs right.

Actually, the treaties are NOT being violated anymore, but are being enforced to the letter by the tribes, which demand all of the goodies and money that Uncle Sam promised them when those treaties were first negotiated.

The tribes have become quite sophisticated legally, with some real aggressive tribal lawyers, courtesy of the 1975 Indian Education and Self-determination Act, which sent them through law school on Uncle Sam's dime.

Land ownership in the tribes, like everything else, is complicated. Typically, the land is owned by the tribe as a whole, and individual properties are parceled out and regulated by the tribal councils. How this is done is different from tribe to tribe, and can be quite corrupt. As the old adage goes, the tribe can give and the tribe can take away, based on who you know and who you have pissed off.

Concerning whether or not individual Indians can leave the reservation and maintain their homes and status, again it is complicated and varies from tribe to tribe. BUT, generally speaking, if an Indian leaves the reservation and takes up work and a residence outside of the tribe, then he or she loses all federal benefits and direct services, including health care, arising from the treaty governing the respective reservation. This caused a big problem during the 1950s Indian relocation program, where large masses of Indians were in fact encouraged to move to the cities and work and live there by the federal government. Those that took up the offer were given a single one-way bus ticket to a designated city and set-up with an apartment, and then turned completely loose, without any of their former services provided by the government. More often than not, the urbanized Indians failed, and reverted back into poverty and alcoholism.

Needless to say, the incentives to leave the reservation for greener pastures collapsed on the failure of urban relocation, and that's why most reservation Indians are wholly content to remain where they are and get what federal direct services they can from their treaties.

57 posted on 05/18/2009 12:58:13 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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