Posted on 06/10/2009 5:13:51 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
Pakistan is less than 7,800 miles from Hawaii.
No, the only information out is that Obama was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Also, his father was a Brit (Kenyan, British Colony) and his mother to young to pass along U.S. citizenship. She had left the country. Thus, Obama not a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution to serve as President.
Re: “If he was born in Hawaii then he became a natural born citizen in 1961.”
And that information is to be found where?
Also, his father was a Brit (Kenyan, British Colony) and his mother to young to pass along U.S. citizenship.
Only if he was, in fact, born overseas. If he was born in Hawaii then the nationality of his parents is irrelevant to his status as a natural born citizen.
Thus, Obama not a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution to serve as President.
If he was born in Hawaii then yes he is.
As heard on The Rush Limbaugh Radio Talk Show today by Rush Limbaugh:
“What do God and Barack Obama have in common? They both don’t have a birth certificate.”
Cal, did you see this post by BP?
Here's a glimpse of his background upon first becoming a “public servant” in Chicago's "New (Socialist) Party":
Obama 1996 General Candidate Questionnaire - New Party, Illinois State Senate — 09-10-96
The New Party (Google "New Party" if you don't know WHO they are) didn't go away -- they just all masked themselves as "social democrats":
It is a fairly simple statement for you to understand, Obama knows what Natural Born means, he has help to define it as it related to his opponent, and Obama know that in order to be president he must be A Natural Born citizen.
So why is it that you think he should be given a pass for refusing to admit he meets the constitutional standard for Natural Born.
Let be clear on this....
He has never stated he is Natural born.
He refers to himself as Native Born or as your wit suggests “rainbow born” (another term not found in the constitution)
He relies on third parties to present and defend a 2007 COLB created for the election process.
And you think that it doesn’t warrant a full disclosure of the facts i.e. his original Vault copy Birth certificate to once and for all time end this debate.
The Constitution is replete with undefined words, and if you don’t know that you ought to, so tossing the canard to me “Where in the Constitution is it” is done in bad faith, without question. I might as well ask you where in the Constitution is the definition of “attainder,” “impost,” or a host of other terms that were well understood by the framers.
There is enough support in the form of contemporary documentation regarding the phrase “natural-born” so that what the Framers meant by that usage, which appears only with respect to the qualifications of the President, can’t really be in dispute.
That you seem to want to dispute it means either that you are not educated on the subject, or that you want to read into a Constitution a meaning that the Framers did not intend. If that is the case, then you believe you are in a position superior to the Constitution. Maybe you ought to be on the Court - that’s a place you could really put that philosophy into practice.
The Constitution is replete with undefined words, and if you don’t know that you ought to, so tossing the canard to me “Where in the Constitution is it” is done in bad faith, without question. I might as well ask you where in the Constitution is the definition of “attainder,” “impost,” or a host of other terms that were well understood by the framers.
There is enough support in the form of contemporary documentation regarding the phrase “natural-born” so that what the Framers meant by that usage, which appears only with respect to the qualifications of the President, can’t really be in dispute.
That you seem to want to dispute it means either that you are not educated on the subject, or that you want to read into a Constitution a meaning that the Framers did not intend. If that is the case, then you believe you are in a position superior to the Constitution. Maybe you ought to be on the Court - that’s a place you could really put that philosophy into practice.
“”Looking back, Siddiqi acknowledges that he and Obama were an odd couple.””
An Odd Couple?
Interesting choice of words.
Is the moustached man shown on the sofa, half of the ‘odd-couple’?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2268452/posts?page=119#119
Obama is wearing lace-up boots?
BP, didn’t we once have a list of the members of the “new party” that were connected with the CPUSA? ET has collected an intensive amount of material on CP in US.
Not true. There was a "travel advisory" for Pakistan in 1981 but that didn't mean you couldn't go there. Pakistan wasn't Cuba or North Korea or North Vietnam. It was even our ally officially. You can see a PDF of the advisory here.
You would have needed a visa in advance from Pakistan to go there. It says so in the advisory. Just how hard or how easy it was to get one, I don't know. But Pakistan was not on a State Department "no travel" list for US passport holders in 1981.
From RedState.com:
With the New Party’s rise and its entanglements with ACORN [Association of Community Organizers For Reform Now] came the rise of Barack Obama. According to Stanley Kurtz, “Acorn is the key modern successor of the radical 1960’s ‘New Left,’ with a ‘1960’s-bred agenda of anti-capitalism’ to match.” And Barack Obama was ACORN’s lawyer.
http://archive.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/barack_obama_sought_the_new_partys_endorsement_knowing_it_was_a_radical_left_organization
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From Obama's official website:
When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, "I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That's what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That's the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”
ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) is the nation's largest community organization of low- and moderate-income families, with over 350,000 member families organized into 800 neighborhood chapters in 104 cities across the country. Since 1970 ACORN has taken action and won victories on issues of concern to its members, including better housing for first time homebuyers and tenants, living wages for low-wage workers, more investment in our communities from banks and governments, and better public schools.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGC7zm
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October 08, 2008
Archives prove Obama was a New Party member (updated)
Thomas Lifson
Another piece in the puzzle of Barack Obama has been revealed, greatly strengthening the picture of a man groomed by an older generation of radical leftists for insertion into the American political process, trading on good looks, brains, educational pedigree, and the desire of the vast majority of the voting public to right the historical racial wrongs of the land.
The New Party was a radical left organization, established in 1992, to amalgamate far left groups and push the United States into socialism by forcing the Democratic Party to the left. It was an attempt to regroup the forces on the left in a new strategy to take power, burrowing from within. The party only lasted until 1998, when its strategy of "fusion" failed to withstand a Supreme Court ruling. But dissolving the party didn't stop the membership, including Barack Obama, from continuing to move the Democrats leftward with spectacular success.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/archives_prove_obama_was_a_new.html
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NOTE: As of today, June 10, 2009, DiscoverTheNetworks.org/FrontPageMag.com profile doesn't (yet?) include the latest revelation that (President) Obama was actually a member of the New Party. HOWEVER, he does link to several articles on the left side of the page that apparently do go into it in detail.-ETL
PROFILE: NEW PARTY (NP)
* Marxist political coalition
* Was active from 1992-1998
* Endorsed Barack Obama for Illinois state senate seat in 1996
Co-founded in 1992 by Daniel Cantor (a former staffer for Jesse Jackson's 1988 presidential campaign) and Joel Rogers (a sociology and law professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison), the New Party was a Marxist political coalition whose objective was to endorse and elect leftist public officials -- most often Democrats. The New Party's short-term objective was to move the Democratic Party leftward, thereby setting the stage for the eventual rise of new Marxist third party.
Most New Party members hailed from the Democratic Socialists of America and the militant organization ACORN. The party's Chicago chapter also included a large contingent from the Committees of Correspondence, a Marxist coalition of former Maoists, Trotskyists, and Communist Party USA members.
The New Party's modus operandi included the political strategy of "electoral fusion," where it would nominate, for various political offices, candidates from other parties (usually Democrats), thereby enabling each of those candidates to occupy more than one ballot line in the voting booth. By so doing, the New Party often was able to influence candidates' platforms. (Fusion of this type is permitted in seven states -- Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Mississippi, New York, South Carolina, and Vermont -- but is common only in New York.)
Though Illinois was not one of the states that permitted electoral fusion, in 1995 Barack Obama nonetheless sought the New Party's endorsement for his 1996 state senate run. He was successful in obtaining that endorsement, and he used a number of New Party volunteers as campaign workers.
In 1996, three of the four candidates endorsed by the New Party won their electoral primaries. The three victors included Barack Obama (in the 13th State Senate District), Danny Davis (in the 7th Congressional District), and Patricia Martin, who won the race for Judge in the 7th Subcircuit Court. All four candidates attended an April 11, 1996 New Party membership meeting to express their gratitude for the party's support.
The New Party's various chapters similarly helped to elect dozens of other political candidates in a host of American cities.
One of the more notable New Party members was Carl Davidson, a Chicago-based Marxist who became a political supporter of Barack Obama in the mid-1990s.
In 1997 the New Party's influence declined precipitously after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that electoral fusion was not protected by the First Amendment's freedom of association clause. By 1998 the party was essentially defunct. Daniel Canto and other key party members went on to establish a new organization with similar ideals, the Working Families Party of New York.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7434
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The Columbus Free Press
New Party Online News - Elections Update
In the end the outcome was predictable, and predictably depressing. Voting for Clinton while simultaneously supporting the local Republican Congressman was not contradictory. My personal favorite line: With these results, I'd better get some of that medicinal marijuana...
So we're back where we were a few days ago. Gingrich sets the agenda, Clinton rotates it a few degrees to make it palatable. Our task, and there are no shortcuts, is to build enough power to produce better choices in the future.
A few more steps down that road were taken by local New Party chapters on Tuesday. Here are some highlights:
Overall: Campaign finance led the way, with overwhelming victories in Arkansas and Massachusetts. Not counting Washington, DC's ANC races, NP members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, bringing our overall total to 110 victories in 163 races.
Arkansas: As local favorite Bill Clinton swept to victory under cloud of tainted contributions, an NP and ACORN-backed statewide initiative for real campaign finance reform won an overwhelming victory, outpolling Clinton and Perot combined. The measure lowers contribution limits to $300 for statewide candidates and $100 for state legislative and local candidates, grants a tax credit for small donors, and tightens reporting and disclosure requirements. It'll be a big step in leveling the playing field for grassroots candidates against their corporate funded opponents. And in the first city-wide victory for a New Party candidate in Little Rock, member Paul Kelly won an at-large City Council seat. He'll join NP members Gloria Wilson and Willie Hinton on the Council, with the potential for a strong progressive caucus. In a second at-large City Council race, NP member Genevieve Stewart made a strong showing. She finished third against 2 entrenched incumbents but built her name recognition and a base of support for a possible ward race for City Council next year. Finally, in a classic New Party vs. the Right Wing matchup, member Jayne Cia handily defeated the Arkansas state chair of Empower America (Bill Bennett's organization) for a seat on the County Board.
Illinois: The first NP member heads to Congress, as Danny Davis wins an overwhelming 85% victory yesterday (he got a higher percentage of the vote in that district than the President). NP member and State Senate candidate Barack Obama won uncontested. Interestingly, it appears that the local Democratic machine is trying to distance itself from our folks. At a "Democratic Unity" march on Chicago's West Side, a flyer invited community members to join with a host of local democratic candidates. The only two west-side Democrats not listed: NP members Danny Davis (U.S. House candidate) and Michael Chandler (Alderman and Ward Committeeman). ..."
New Party
227 West 40th St. Suite 1303
New York, NY 10018
phone: 800-200-1294
fax: 212-302-5344
email: newparty@newparty.org
web site: http://www.newparty.org
http://www.freepress.org/Backup/UnixBackup/pubhtml/newparty/newpart5.html
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"Although the New Party has been effectively defunct since the late 1990s, a website still exists."-wikipedia
http://www.newparty.org/
You replied to me, but that is not my post.
WHERE was Obama born in Hawaii? Is he paying legal fees to keep his birth certificate hidden because he was actually born in Kenya? I, as an American citizen, have the right to know if Obama is a natural born citizen or not (natural born citizenship is a requirement to serve as President per the Constitution).
That's in the article you posted. It's just about the only real claim the author makes and it's not true so far as I've been able to find out. If somebody wants to respond to the article they will most likely respond to your post number one, even if it's not what you said yourself.
WHERE was Obama born in Hawaii? Is he paying legal fees to keep his birth certificate hidden because he was actually born in Kenya?
Obama's been able to keep a lot of information about himself secret. He does so because he can get away with it. A lot of politicians would do the same if they could, but they can't.
I don't know where he was born or what his birth certificate says. Maybe he has more things he wants to hide. The idea that Obama was born in Kenya doesn't seem very likely, though.
Where would his parents have gotten the money? Wouldn't his mother's parents have objected to such a trip? Wouldn't it have been crazy to fly half-way around the world to an impoverished colony to -- what? -- visit Barack Sr.'s first wife he was still married to and his father who disapproved of the marriage?
Questions will persist until Obama releases his birth certificate, but I'd be surprised if the Kenya story were true.
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