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To: DieHard the Hunter

Weapons? That is obviously an uneducated assertion. I have personally transported prisoners long distances in cuffs and shackles for 24 hours at a time. They had neither permanent nerve damage nor did they have any bruises or other damage that you could see.

I have extradited prisoners out of most states in the US, and they all wore the jewelry for way more than 4-5 hours with no damage. How do you suppose they transport the prisoners with the black boxes? eh? Some of those guys ride that bus for up to 36 hours at a time.


15 posted on 06/27/2009 7:05:27 PM PDT by Concho ( No Birth Certificate-No Census!)
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To: Concho
> Weapons? That is obviously an uneducated assertion.

FRiend, rather than get into a p*ssing match with you about who's ignorant on this subject and who isn't, I'm going to instead ask you to grab a brain, and think for a moment about your post.

> I have personally transported prisoners long distances in cuffs and shackles for 24 hours at a time. They had neither permanent nerve damage nor did they have any bruises or other damage that you could see.

Have you not heard of handcuff neuropathy? You can bet your department's insurers have. And yet here's you, in a public forum, saying that it's OK to handcuff someone for 24 hours at a time and they don't get nerve damage?

Maybe you can do this safely: I'd be willing to guess that you've had some handcuffing training, you know exactly how tight (and no tighter) to fasten the shackles, and that you know all about the importance of double-locks.

But what about the average Joe who doesn't know about these things? Do you think it's perfectly OK for him to fasten someone in cuffs for 24 hours?

On that subject I'd be curious to know your department's guidelines on using restraints -- 24-36 hours seems like an excessive length of time for handcuffs.

Here's a US-sourced document on handcuff liability for Bail enforcement agents. It discusses some of these issues at length. I happen to agree with most of what is written therein: Handcuff liability for bail enforcement agents

21 posted on 06/27/2009 8:16:19 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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