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To: nw_arizona_granny
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2009/08/policia-and-villas-miseria-in-argentina.html
Policia and “Villas Miseria” in Argentina

Saludos... It appears that the recent public demonstrations in various parts of Argentina in protest against the government's lack of ability to stem the huge increases in crime are having results. The Policia Prefectura are all over the Mar del Plata downtown area where I live. They are stopping cars day and night... I guess they are looking for DWI drivers using roadblocks. My wife reported they are also rounding up teenagers who are chemically impaired while walking on the downtown streets. Some of her middle school students are among those detained... soething the local cops don't usually do. One can see them in their specially equiped van-type vehicles in large numbers all over the highest crime areas... a very visible deterrant.

I don't know if this is the first time federal troops have been used in local crime supression.

The following article shows that the pharmacy murders allegedly by Mexican narcotraficantes over the psuedo-ephedrine traffic last year are also having results.

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina – Argentine customs officers have seized more than four tons of a chemical that can be used to make methamphetamine during an investigation into drug traffickers with ties to Mexico.
Mario Crespo, director of investigations for the customs service, says a total of 4.2 metric tons (4.6 tons) of pseudoephedrine was confiscated at several government warehouses at the port in Buenos Aires on Wednesday. No arrests were made.
Carlos Stornelli, justice minister for the province, says the drug seizure is related to an investigation into a clandestine meth lab that was discovered near Buenos Aires last year at which nine Mexicans were arrested.

Captn. Rick

Hi Rick, hope you're doing well.
That's good news in terms of security, because “prefectura” is better at fighting crime and as you note, the militarized thing they have going on is a better deterrent. Of course its far from ideal because the police shouldn’t be a militarized force but its common practice in Buenos Aires. Same for gendarmería.

Do you remember the “gendarme” that was murdered last year(was it Fuerte Apache?)? I remember the comments from the neighbors were all very positive, they liked having gendarmería keeping a firm grip on things, keeping the goblins at bay so the honest inhabitants of the “villa” could have a better life.

Villa in Rosario, Argentina

About “villas miseria”, these are shanty towns and slums where there’s no formal street or sidewalk, just dirt passages that sort of form by themselves almost organically, as people build their shacks with metal sheet, cardboard, plastic sheets or whatever they can find.

This is what “Below the poverty line” means in Argentina: Not enough money a month to buy the needed calories to survive.
How many? 26% of the population as of 2004 according to INDEC. INDEC being manipulated by the K government, today we dont know how many live in these conditions.

These places have no formal floor other than the dirt and earth they sit on, and conditions are pretty bad.
They all have improvised illegal power connections but that’s where all luxuries end.
I interviewed people from “villa Carton”, as part of a special emergency Architecture project.
As the name implies, the place was full of cardboard and paper collected by the “cartoneros”, the scavengers that inhabited it.

“Cartonero” in Buenos Aires, one of the thousands that invade the city each night.

A fire, supposedly intentional, turned the place into firebomb and the people lost what little they had.

The more recent villa miseria I found near by in Ing. Bunge is a sight to behold. Looks like one of Dante’s circles of hell.
Imagine a junkyard, as wide and the eyes can reach and also gets lost in the horizon ahead. No imagine the place is flooded. Now imagine shacks with families living there.
I kid you not, as my wife said, even our dogs live better than those people. At least the kennel is dry.

People looking for food or trash to sell.

These people have a foot of water inside the shack as soon as they climb out of their soaked mattresses.
These villas are a politicians favorite dish: Poor, ignorant people willing to sell their vote for a few bucks and some false promises, each one procreating and making 4 or 5 new poor, ignorant and desperate voters. What an evil machinery.
Some of these villas have evolved, like villa 31, where the shacks were replaces by brick and mortar improvised homes. Still illegal in many ways, most have illegal power connections, but little by little the lucky ones evolve into real neighborhoods.

1,241 posted on 08/18/2009 4:45:05 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Keep in mind that Argentina used to have the eighth largest economy in the world. That was before Juan Peron took power and promptly divided the country along class lines, permanently undermining the social and political structure of the country.


1,242 posted on 08/18/2009 4:47:01 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

It is heartbreaking, knowing that people today are starving to death.

That baby reminds me of Purr Baby, for he too was starving and has the same look about him. His brother is gaining weight, now at least 3 or 4 times larger than when they came in.

San Diego had a lot of the “anything” for shelters, under the bushes in the canyons, and that was a couple years ago.

No, I do not forget that in 1939 we lived in the San Diego river bottom with the rest of the fruit tramps, looking for work.

Last week, Las Vegas used their prisoners to go out and remove some of the “anything for shelters” that were springing up there.

If one knows where to look, we have more than many are aware of, here in the U.S.

Thanks for the update on Ferfal.

Interesting take on martial law.


1,246 posted on 08/18/2009 5:19:21 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Take away the electricity and the block buildings, add some coke can signs and nehi signs along with some cardboard and palm frond thatching into the building materials, and that sure looks like the Fabrica district which was across the street from the Sears Warehouse in La Habana, Cuba. That one was about 150 acres but not as clean and there were hundreds of kids who followed every vehicle "Penny Mister?" over and over. I never did figure out where they got incomes from - but adults seemed to only be present in the evenings - but children were always there. They salvaged through every trash bin for anything they could use, sell or eat. But, you know, I never saw them ever being unruly or out of hand. Like they were accustomed to that being their lot in life. My father was always doing something for their community - even when they brought a Rodeo (which was a novelty there)down, he had a whole free performance just for the people from Fabrica, including free hot dogs. He even made arrangements to give them baby chicks when they had an order cancel instead of destroying them. He would have Ernesto Tisol (Who Castro made a Secretary of Agriculture, and then shot him because crops weren't as good as he wanted-)(that was several years after we left as Castro was in the U.S going to school when we were there) go over and show them how to take care of them - even would bring them some feed from broken bags. Never had any problems for any of the employees either. Sears was well respected by them even if they couldn't be customers.

1,258 posted on 08/18/2009 8:28:59 PM PDT by DelaWhere (Freedom is when Government fears the people. - Tyrany is when the people fear the Government.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Very sad. And likely where we are headed if the current trend continues.


1,278 posted on 08/19/2009 10:08:45 AM PDT by CottonBall
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