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To: Danae
Danae, you are on the right track. But FEDERAL, to me, implies laws. The term Natural Born Citizen comes from our constitution, and can't be changed except by amendment, and that has been tried at least two dozen times. We don't really need Obama’s birth certificate, and Hawaii couldn't confer natural born citizenship on Obama, only nature can, and that was the whole idea.

Born of the soil and of parents who are its citizens is one of several statements of what it means to be natural born.
Don't get wrapped up in the variations which arose because of translations from the French of Law of Nations. You may see ‘Native born Citizen’ or ‘indigene’. They are the same. Citizen by birth is not the same. It is the meaning from Law of Nations, and only that meaning which counts. You can find it in Vattel’s Law of Nations, Chapter XIX, used by our founders as their principle reference in writing both the Declaration and our Constitution. How do I know? Because John Jay and Benjamin Franklin both said so. How do I know natural born citizen came from Vattel? Because Chief Justice John Marshall said so in The Venus, 12 U.S. 253 (1814). He said that Vattel’s definition was authoritative and quoted from The Law of Nations.
http://supreme.justia.com/us/12/253/case.html

Obama’s people want us to be confused. We needn't be. Because Obama Senior, Barry is ineligible to be president. It sounds fantastic, but Obama is a real radical, who said openly that while he thought there were some provisions in the constitution, it didn't let him do what he wanted to do. Law firms with which he has long been associated have written legal briefs and campaigned actively for another try and amending Article II Section 1 (search Sarah Herlihy, Chicago-Kent Law Review, Feb 2006, Amending the Natural Born ...). The interview was done in 2001 when Barry may have been lamenting the chances of overcoming his natural born problem to run for president.

45 posted on 07/30/2009 2:50:11 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding; Danae
The term Natural Born Citizen comes from our constitution, and can't be changed except by amendment, and that has been tried at least two dozen times.

Actually, the First Congress (1789-1790) passed Naturalization Act of 1790 which said the following:

…the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens…

Now this law has been repealed. The current Act in place is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (as amended, particularly in 1986), but the point is that the term "natural born" has been defined by Congress from the beginning.

Does any of that mean the Ø is qualified to be President by virtue of citizenship? Well, show me an actual birth certificate (either Kenyan or Hawaiian) and I'll know one way or the other.

46 posted on 07/30/2009 3:43:30 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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