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Black Friday Predictions for HDTVs (press release-gottadeal.com)&480hz may be coming-Samsung
tvpredictions.com ^ | August 26, 2009 | Phillip Swann

Posted on 08/28/2009 2:02:29 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave

While HDTVs have been popular Black Friday items in the past few years, GottaDeal.com expects that this holiday season will be the a significant one for HDTV purchases by the average consumer. Prices have dropped this year more than any previous year, and with the digital TV transition now complete, a large part of the general public is looking to get a new HDTV, either as a primary or secondary television, and this Black Friday should provide an large number of deals. With HDTVs, quality can vary greatly from the cheaper to the more expensive units. In many cases, the lowest-priced models on Black Friday are stripped-down models made exclusively for that retailer's sale. In many cases they lack features and the quality components used to manufacture higher priced models. That doesn't necessarily mean that these deals aren't great - it's just a case of "buyer beware" as you should not expect $2,000 performance from a $500 HDTV.

The two primary types of flat panel HDTVs in the Black Friday ads will be LCD and Plasma. Plasma HDTVs tend to be cheaper going by cost per inch, but that is not always the case as there are some very high-end, highly rated plasma models out there. The maximum resolution of an HDTV is also something that you'll see in the ads. Most HDTVs will either be 1080p or 720p. These numbers represent the maximum lines of horizontal resolution that the TV can display at once. 1080p is the native resolution for things like Blu-ray, some video games and other sources, and being higher resolution means that these models will cost more.

LCD HDTVs can come with different refresh rates. As of a couple years ago, most models were 60Hz. Newer models are 120Hz or higher. Most consumers won't notice the difference between the different rates, although on some source materials such as movies shot on film, it can be somewhat noticeable. Newer technology such as LED-backlit HDTVs has hit the market, however it will likely be another year or two before these models get the full Black Friday discount treatment from retailers.

On to price predictions. Consumers should fully expect to see 42" plasma and HDTVs in the $399 to $499 range this year. During the last few months on GottaDeal.com, there have been posted deals for 42" HDTVs for under $600 in a few cases, so it's completely realistic to expect at least one retailer to have a deal under $400 on a lower-quality model. These cheaper HDTVs will likely be 720p and will lack features found in more expensive models. Prices on 50" plasma and LCD HDTVs should also fall this Black Friday, perhaps to somewhere around $599 to $699


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In another TVpredictions comment:

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and

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Samsung/Samsung_Rumored_To_Show_480Hz_HDTV_at_IFA/3316

With the recent cap at 200/240Hz – 200 for Europe and 240 in the US – the new model would double the rate of models still fresh on the market. The displays are also said to use BFI/DFI, or Black Frame Insertion/Dark Frame Insertion. With BFI/DFI, a black or dark frame is inserted between original frames, helping to eliminate the human eye’s propensity for image retention.

Berlin hosts the IFA consumer electronics expo this September, and new products are to be expected, but as of this moment the new Samsung 480HZ displays are yet to be confirmed.

1 posted on 08/28/2009 2:02:29 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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2 posted on 08/28/2009 2:07:15 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
I just got the 55” Samsung LED delivered. The detail is fantastic.
3 posted on 08/28/2009 2:09:31 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Socialism is not a bad word. It is a bad concept.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

So I guess we’ll all get to watch Dear Leader at an even higher refresh rate.


4 posted on 08/28/2009 2:18:04 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

So glad our old (10 years at least) TVs are working just fine thank you.

What I would like to own is a high speed controller that is programmed to immediately change the channel to cooking when a certain O appears on the screen.


5 posted on 08/28/2009 2:42:03 AM PDT by Carley (WHEN YOU HONOR THE DISHONORABLE YOU SHOW YOUR OWN TRUE COLORS)
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To: Carley
What I would like to own is a high speed controller that is programmed to immediately change the channel to cooking when a certain O appears on the screen.

I utilize the Texas quick-draw....My shoulder-holster-remote quick draw is faster than 120hz.... It's my image retention I must work on.....

6 posted on 08/28/2009 4:13:30 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

What is Black Friday?


7 posted on 08/28/2009 4:20:33 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . fasl el-khitab)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I’ll be interested to see how the Bluray players do this year as well. The prices are finally dropping to a somewhat reasonable point.


8 posted on 08/28/2009 4:43:45 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: bert

Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving, so called because that is the day that retailers have traditionally gone into the “black” for the year.

It’s usually marked by big sales for most every large retailer.


9 posted on 08/28/2009 4:47:30 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: cbkaty

LOLOL.........oh I love it!

Remember the olden days when you actually had to get up off your duff to change the channel.


10 posted on 08/28/2009 4:49:40 AM PDT by Carley (WHEN YOU HONOR THE DISHONORABLE YOU SHOW YOUR OWN TRUE COLORS)
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To: Publius Valerius

Ah yes. My mind just couldn’t make a November connection in August


11 posted on 08/28/2009 4:50:16 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . fasl el-khitab)
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To: bert

The super discount mania shopping Friday immediately following Thanksgiving.

Been sleeping under a rock the last 20 years?


12 posted on 08/28/2009 4:50:24 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: bert

It’ll be here before you know it. :-)


13 posted on 08/28/2009 4:51:57 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Carley

There were also 3 channels. You didn’t get off your duff to change the channel because you already knew what the other two had on.


14 posted on 08/28/2009 4:54:21 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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To: Publius Valerius

Heck Wal Mart already has there Halloween decorations out. I’m sure the Christmas ones will be out after Labor Day.


15 posted on 08/28/2009 5:07:35 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Las Vegas Dave

A couple of things. First, I don’t expect this years black friday to really put them in the black.

Second, The reason the LCD and Plasma are being discounted is because of LED. I’ve seen it. I’ve seen the picture, the specs, the power consumption, the weight, the screen thickness. LCD and Plasma are hereby antiquated and will be obsolete in a year or two. They are going the way of the glass tube and will do so rapidly.

LED will replace LCD and Plasma as forcefully and rapidly (more rapidly, actually) as the electronic tuner and its companion, the infrared remote, replaced mechanical barrel tuners on TVs. They are simply superior in every way.

I’ve been using a DLP projector for years, and LCD before that. The LED’s are the first flat screen I’ve seen that motivate me to get a non-projection set.


16 posted on 08/28/2009 5:15:09 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Publius Valerius

>>Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving, so called because that is the day that retailers have traditionally gone into the “black” for the year.<<

Yeah, and I think this year we will break from that tradition. ;)


17 posted on 08/28/2009 5:16:09 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: bmwcyle

LED? That thing must have set you back. They aren’t discounting those puppies yet.


18 posted on 08/28/2009 5:17:07 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: ctdonath2

>>There were also 3 channels. You didn’t get off your duff to change the channel because you already knew what the other two had on.<<

And there were only four commercials per hour and, IIRC, two of them were 30 seconds each and the other two were a minute each.


19 posted on 08/28/2009 5:18:37 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy

$2999.00 on Sale.


20 posted on 08/28/2009 5:19:26 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Socialism is not a bad word. It is a bad concept.)
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To: RobRoy

I went with on because the use less power and they last longer.


21 posted on 08/28/2009 5:20:13 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Socialism is not a bad word. It is a bad concept.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

The heat and energy created by the plasmas are awfully high, at least on my Panasonics. Wonder how the LCD’s compare?


22 posted on 08/28/2009 5:21:49 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: ctdonath2

Friday night boxing

Milton Berle

I Remember Mama


23 posted on 08/28/2009 5:21:58 AM PDT by Carley (WHEN YOU HONOR THE DISHONORABLE YOU SHOW YOUR OWN TRUE COLORS)
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To: bmwcyle

Whew!

I think LED is WHY the LCD and Plasma sets are getting so cheep. The retailers clearly see the writing on the wall. You don’t want to be stuck with a bunch of those things.

I was amazed at the power consumption of the LED sets. And every square inch of the set is the same exact brightness. And the thickness, and the weight. Well, I ramble, but you get my drift.

Congratulations on your set. With blueray it must be spectacular.


24 posted on 08/28/2009 5:22:04 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy

I don’t have Blue Ray. I download movies. I only watch them once. I have gone all digital. I have pulled all VCR’s and DVD players. I only use my XBOX 360 for playback. It has a great picture. My Rotel receiver and Vandersteen surround speakers are what makes it. I just changed from a InFocus 61md10 to the 55” Samsung. I miss the bigger size but Samsumg LED is limited to 55” right now. The picture is like having a window on the wall. It is a 3D picture.


25 posted on 08/28/2009 5:33:10 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Socialism is not a bad word. It is a bad concept.)
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To: marvlus

LED is the way to go. Forget Plasma or LCD.


26 posted on 08/28/2009 5:34:26 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Socialism is not a bad word. It is a bad concept.)
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To: RobRoy

I was in a store and watched a little of Sea Biscuit on blu-ray on an LED screen, maybe 50” screen...an AMAZING combination of technologies. It was the first time I looked at a screen and was unreservedly impressed...this at various angles and distances, even a FOOT AWAY. I’m glad I’ve held off on LCDs. They are...in my humble opinion...horribly overrated.


27 posted on 08/28/2009 5:36:38 AM PDT by Since 2009-07-21
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To: bmwcyle

I agree with you. Unfortunately I have some money invested in plasmas, so it may be awhile before I “upgrade”. OLED’s sound interesting also. Wonder where they are relative to LED’s?


28 posted on 08/28/2009 5:41:02 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: Carley
Remember the olden days when you actually had to get up off your duff to change the channel.

.....and in south Texas.....we had only 3 stations....in B/W.... The weathermen had to actually draw graphics on a paper chart....

29 posted on 08/28/2009 5:43:17 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Since 2009-07-21

>>I was in a store and watched a little of Sea Biscuit on blu-ray on an LED screen, maybe 50” screen...an AMAZING combination of technologies. It was the first time I looked at a screen and was unreservedly impressed...this at various angles and distances, even a FOOT AWAY. I’m glad I’ve held off on LCDs. They are...in my humble opinion...horribly overrated.<<

It is interesting you say that. In my exercise room I STILL use my sharp 32” tube set. When the Plasma an LCD sets first came out I had been doing a lot of reading on the subject. I remember going to the TV store and, although I noticed nice bright colors compared to my CRT set, I was totally unimpressed with the picture. Movements would blur, the sharpness came and went. There were weird artifacts and there was an odd unnatural look to the picture. And I am not talking about the “analog tv” picture when viewed on those sets. But when it is viewed, it is shown up for just how bad it is.

Meanwhile, the LED sets I’ve seen eliminate all of that. They really are what I envisioned in “flatscreen” back in the 1970’s when my AV buddies and I talked about it.


30 posted on 08/28/2009 5:50:06 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: marvlus

I looked at the Sony first. They are more expensive and the picture is not as detailed. Now having detail can be a problem. I was watching Star Wars on Spike the other night. The CGI masking sticks right out. You can see a cheap set very well. If the show is good, you will love it.


31 posted on 08/28/2009 5:50:20 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Socialism is not a bad word. It is a bad concept.)
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To: RobRoy
Second, The reason the LCD and Plasma are being discounted is because of LED.

I think you mean LED back light. OLED sets which use no back light at all are still extremely expensive and may never catch on.

I think the LED back lights give a higher contrast ratio, but if that's what turns you on, then get a plasma for much less money. The fact is most HDTV's today look great to most people, regardless of the cost or technology.

32 posted on 08/28/2009 6:25:43 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
The displays are also said to use BFI/DFI, or Black Frame Insertion/Dark Frame Insertion. With BFI/DFI, a black or dark frame is inserted between original frames, helping to eliminate the human eye’s propensity for image retention.

Drool! I have been wanting something like this for years! Now movies will really play like movies really do in the theater. In the theater a 24 fps movie is actually played at 48fps, with a shutter in front of the lamp flashing each frame on the screen twice, in order to reduces Persistence of Vision:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_of_vision#Film_systems

33 posted on 08/28/2009 6:38:20 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: marvlus

Look at the positives.
It’s helping heat your house in the winter.
:- )


34 posted on 08/28/2009 6:42:35 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Moonman62
I think you mean LED back light. OLED sets which use no back light at all are still extremely expensive and may never catch on.

Ya, those $15,000 32" LCD TV's will never catch on either. I mean, who the hell is going to buy one of those?

What? You can get a 32" for under $500?

Yes! But when they came out, they were as much as a car. The OLED may experience the same drop in price and increase in size.

35 posted on 08/28/2009 6:43:13 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Moonman62

The interesting thing about LED backlighting, in addition to the reduced power consumption, is its novel ability to selectively turn off or greatly reduce the amount of backlighting in certain areas of the screen, dictated by program content. This boosts the contrast ratio several orders of magnitude. And as we all (should) know, better contrast == better picture quality.


36 posted on 08/28/2009 6:44:12 AM PDT by Company Man
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To: Phantom Lord
Yes! But when they came out, they were as much as a car. The OLED may experience the same drop in price and increase in size.

And while we wait for OLED to drop in price, the other technologies keep getting better and they are already affordable. That's why OLED may never catch on.

37 posted on 08/28/2009 6:48:57 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: bmwcyle
LED is the way to go. Forget Plasma or LCD.

Sorry to nitpick, but the TVs are LED backlit LCD, rather than true LED picture.

38 posted on 08/28/2009 6:50:25 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: PapaBear3625

That is true but it is a better LCD and blows then away.


39 posted on 08/28/2009 6:52:17 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Socialism is not a bad word. It is a bad concept.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Thanks, Dave. Got a 64 inch Samsung DLP. Looks good so far ........ FRegards


40 posted on 08/28/2009 6:54:45 AM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo! You should already have the guns .................. FRegards)
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To: Company Man
This boosts the contrast ratio several orders of magnitude. And as we all (should) know, better contrast == better picture quality.

That's why I said a plasma should be considered at a much lower cost.

41 posted on 08/28/2009 6:55:59 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: marvlus
OLED’s sound interesting also. Wonder where they are relative to LED’s?

They're on the market, expensive, but very thin..

42 posted on 08/28/2009 7:02:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Moonman62

Yes, I do mean LED Backlight. They are more expensive right now, but I think it is because they are new and there are still a LOT of the standard LCD and Plasma sets in warehouses and still being produced. But I expect the price to drop dramatically by next Christmas (2010).

Yes, most HDTV’s look great to most people. That same concept is why I had a hard time, back in the late 70’s getting people to buy laserdisc players. VHS was fine.

But times and sensibilities change. I also have little doubt that, as with electronic vs mechanical tuners on tv’s, the LED backlight sets will be cheaper to actually produce and ship. And there is the power consumption advantage.

I will not be replacing my projector until at least next spring, so I am excited about LED “looking forward”. I think the plasma and LCD will be dropping in price significantly this Christmas, but I also think the LED sets will drop dramatically as the economy continues to decline and the low cost of production causes producers to, for the sake of competition, cut prices on LED sets to the bone by next spring.

We’ll see. I used to sell simple CD players for $1,300, and I watched people pay more for tv’s with remote and electronic tuners than for the tv’s with the mechanical tuners even thought the mechanical tuners were more expensive to produce. I think the LED backlight will completely replace the standard plasma and LCD sets in a year or so.

I also strongly thing Oled or something very similar will become the standard shortly after that. There are reliability problems in manufacturing, but hey, that is why pocket calculators used to be so expensive - so few of the final chips on which they were based actually survived the manufacturing process. But once that nut was cracked, well, the rest is history. I expect the same with OLED. And the power consumption, weight, and cost of production will drop again.

But this is all looking forward 2 to 5 years.

It was not all that long ago that Definitive Audio in Bellevue, WA had a Pioneer 42” Plasma set available for $25,000. I saw it and it looked ok. Too rich for my blood though.

They got cheaper. :)


43 posted on 08/28/2009 7:25:40 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: bmwcyle

I’ll be checking them out this Christmas season.


44 posted on 08/28/2009 7:26:38 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Moonman62

>>And while we wait for OLED to drop in price, the other technologies keep getting better and they are already affordable. That’s why OLED may never catch on.<<

I’ve seen it go both ways. 8-track stopped getting better, as did Cassette and open reel. Sometimes one technology is trumped by another that does the same thing cheaper and better. Sometimes staggeringly better.

I even sold a few El-cassette decks back in the day. ;)

To be fair, I am a huge fan of LED lighting. I have no doubt whatsoever that it will completely eclipse almost all other light sources for consumer goods that need light, right down to car headlights.


45 posted on 08/28/2009 7:28:58 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy

I think i’ll wait for the OLED TV’s.

Have you seen that little Sony OLED set?
tiny but the pic is supposed to be superb.


46 posted on 08/28/2009 7:31:33 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: PapaBear3625

>>They’re on the market, expensive...<<

So were the first “pocket” calculators. :)

I still have a Radio shack ad from the very early 70’s. It advertises, on the back page, a “battery powered” pocket calculator that adds, subtracts, multiplies and divides, AND has memory for a low $149.00 It is almost too bulky to put in your pocket.

This was when a large pizza at Shakeys was $3.99 and gas was less than 30 cents a gallon. And if you made more than $4.00 an hour you were doing very well.


47 posted on 08/28/2009 7:32:40 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: mowowie

They even use color oled’s as surfaces on the keys on some computer keyboards to change the surface image.

OLED’s once made practical, will blow away everything we currently use. They will be incredibly thin and light, needing less bulky support framework, and power consumption will be disgustingly low.

They will be a PERFECT candidate for the new wireless power transmission. I have no doubt at all that within 10 years, at the absolute most, you will bring your new TV home, hang it on the wall like a picture, and the video source AND power will be totally wireless. It will almost certainly connect to those sources in a similar way to how bluetooth devices interact.

Kids today marvel that my generation had to use tv’s without remote control. Their kids will marvel that they had to use TV’s and sound systems that had wires.

But I digress.


48 posted on 08/28/2009 7:37:14 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy

I’ve seen that keyboard.
VERY sweet and Very expensive.
:(


49 posted on 08/28/2009 7:42:36 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: mowowie
>>Have you seen that little Sony OLED set? tiny but the pic is supposed to be superb.<<

OLED. The future:

You get the idea.

50 posted on 08/28/2009 7:42:56 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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