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Posted on 09/18/2009 3:06:19 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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mine i don’t think know the difference..... we refer to them as arizona dog biscuts :)
No kidding? I wonder if that is what my little Rex has. He can literally come to a stop and not move for about 5 minutes.
I have been saying for years he is a dork and lazy. I just pick him up.
Does it affect cockers or is my little guy just a little lazy?
Cute pictures on this thread and see video at post 25
The University of Minnesota Vet School is the outfit that isolated the gene and developed the blood test.
I could only watch a couple of seconds of that video.
You are right. That ain’t my little boy. He’s just lazy. I don’t care.
I love him and sometimes they what they is.
thanks for the video, erh, sort of.
Our first kidding season (my hubby and I being city folk that decided to raise goats) we lost 3 out of 4 of our first year...But the one I was able to save became quite a pet...He was the only one that I could let out of the pasture and he would follow me around the farm, if he lost track of me he'd baaa baaa until I called him...I spent so much time with him and carried him to the alfalfa field (he was too weak to walk) and I'd hold him up with my calfs (leg muscles not cow) and let him eat all he wanted and supplemented him with a bottle several times a day...A neighbor around the corner raised dairy goats and I'd go buy a gallon from her for my little guy (that ended up being his name)
Angora's don't smell like a lot of breeds of goats as they are like deer and have a breeding season (2 months) at that time the breeding billys stink to high heaven...They urinate on themselves and I guess that is irrestistible to the nannys...Just not to the owners....You can smell those guys from 30 feet away...P.U.
As a general rule 1 goat is a lonely goat, being a flock animal they are more at ease with others...
I got on a thread quite a while back of with one gal that was able to housebreak her goat...she sent me a picture...now thats a woman with patience...but she too had a great story....
But as long as the dog seems o.k. and not frightened, it's not as bad as it would be otherwise. It's when they're scared of what's happening that it's really bad.
When Ruby went down, she had four of us working over her and one on the phone to the vet. She had no idea what the fuss was about, but she enjoyed it very much, she was wagging her tail and smiling and licking everyone's hands . . . one of the pro trainers said, "Ruby, I hope you're not doing this just to get all this attention."
I was warned not to keep a billy! Oddly enough the lady down the hill on the OTHER side had an old billy goat with one horn and he WAS a stinky old fellow. She kept him on a tether in the yard to eat the kudzu.
This neighborhood was in downtown Atlanta but you might as well have been somewhere out in the country in north Georgia. The area was settled by folks out of NW GA who came down to Atlanta to work in the Tull Sheet Metal factory, and they brought the country with them. We loved it!
The will eat everything except wild mustard but you have to dig out burdock cause that can poison them. We had different pastures that could be closed off to let the timothy and alfalfa regrow..
Wild mustard looks a lot like alfalfa and I wondered how they told the difference so I chewed a piece one day, spit real quick, its very bitter... A city girl can learn real fast...:O)
EIC? I guess I haven’t kept up with labs, what is that?
We alphas are great...as long as every one else toes the line! ;)
Pauli has started thinking that when we get back from our morning walk, it is ice time. She goes and stands by the dispenser. I just hope she never figures out how it works!
AHHHHHH! Too cute!
I'll warn you that it's a little unnerving to watch, but it's also obvious that the dog is not in pain and perfectly happy.
Miss Ruby has only had one episode, which scared us half to death, but she's never had another and seems none the worse for her experience. Some dogs have a more acute form than others - a few can collapse just from excitement without much exertion or heat. But that's the exception not the rule.
They've seen it in other retrievers, but most cases are in high-bred, high-strung field Labs. They think the gene is VERY common, but if the dogs are not pushed to the limit they never have an attack, so your average couch potato retriever is not going to be doing repetitive 200 yard blinds in hot weather with multiple whistle stops and collar corrections. That's generally what brings it on.
That was such a cute puppy! But he was very noisy!
Yes, I saw your explanation. I guess I had not heard it referred to by the initials and my brain was too lazy to decipher! I had one golden who collapsed one day, chasing a ball in the hot E TX sun. I wasn’t there, my son was, he called his dad and was told to hose her until she got better. By the time I got home she was fine. I *think* it was heat stroke (she is a ball fanatic and will not stop and my son didn’t know she would keep going no matter what).
Later, when I first heard about that, I wondered if it was something like that instead of heat stroke, but she’s never had another episode. Then again, she is an indoor couch potato. FWIW she was never bred.
1. Heat stroke is a general collapse, with unconsciousness, hyperventilation, vomiting, and diarrhea. EIC onset is sudden, it is almost always confined to the hind end weakness/paralysis, and the dog otherwise remains alert and happy, although sometimes a little bit confused or 'out of it'.
2. Genuine heat stroke (as opposed to mere heat exhaustion) takes several days to recover from - the dog will only gradually recover and remain weak, somewhat dehydrated, vomit, etc. With EIC they are right as rain in 10-15 minutes or half an hour, as though nothing at all happened. Ruby was up trotting around, sniffing, and watering the shubbery in 10 minutes without a care in the world.
The fact that your golden was fine by the time you got home indicates EIC. The emotional excitement of being a ball fanatic, the heat esp. with a heavy coat and the exertion, would line up with EIC.
The UMinn guys say that they believe the gene is JUST as common in conformation Labs as field Labs. But a dog that doesn't do the strenuous, stressful work of a field dog may never have an attack.
In fact, they believe the gene's so common it will never be completely eradicated. And it may be unwise to do so because EIC seems to actually be genetically associated with the high-energy traits that make a good retriever. . . the breeding goal for now is to try to eliminate affected dogs with two copies of the gene, not the carriers with one copy.
You might Email the UMinn guys and ask if they have ID'd the gene in Goldens . . . . they might be interested in a blood test if they haven't.
Wow, thank you for the info. I thought it odd that she was fine by the time I got home (altho it was probably 2 hours after the fact, they didn’t call me because they didn’t want me to worry—my poor son called my husband and said, “I think I’ve killed Mom’s dog!” Funny in hindsight, but not at the time.
DEFINITELY not funny at the time!!!! I understand why they didn’t tell you though, didn’t want you to have a wreck speeding to the dog’s side . . . .
Exactly! My poor son.
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