Posted on 09/21/2009 8:47:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Lack of effort results in lack of achievement.
Who knew?
“someone else is responsible...Never them.”
Same attitude as when they are facing the judge and jail time.
The ones with any ambition are already here.
Other ethnic groups are **AFTERSCHOOLING**!!!!!!
Conclusion I: Little learning happens in school. Almost **all** learning happens at home due to the teaching efforts of the parents and the effort of the children!
When I talk to parents of academically successful children I find that what they are doing in the home matches **exactly** what we did in our family's homeschool. ( NO difference!)
Conclusion II:
Academically successful children in functional homes would likely make even better progress if they spent less time in school and more time at home. The institutional school may actually be **retarding** their progress.
Children with poor academic achievement would likely do better in highly structured institutional schools similar to KIPP schools. George Will calls them paternalistic schools that attempt to reproduce in the institution what should be happening at home. These paternalistic schools spend a lot of effort in educating the parents as well.
These parents are already highly accomplished. They sacrificed financial to move to Shaker Heights. They are motivated enough to find a researchers and to fully participate in a study.
I believe parents like this would respond to “coaching” on how to be more effective as parents.
It states in the first sentence of the article that the parents are highly successful and achieving. (Doctors, lawyers, judges, and insurance brokers,) Even with affirmative action, the IQ of the parents is more than adequate.
If they change the wording to "wanting to be Chinese," then we should start worrying...
Ambition was the hallmark of my Irish ancestors who came here in the 1720’s. ‘course they were not catholics but they were poor. The first luxury they bought once they accumulated enough assets everyone didn't have to plant fields was - schooling for their kids to give them an advantage
It was not ambition that was looked down on by the European catholic cultures, nor education!! Just ambitions toward certain vocations, maybe.
The Kennedys seemed to be among the first to make public service a desired and attainable vocation for these cultures. Entering the priesthood- required education.
imho you cannot equivocate cultural expectations of “catholics” with the nonexpectations, low expectations, or expectations of entitlement, that taint the educational outcomes of many “families of color”
BTW, my hispanic friends whose kids were taunted and shunned by other hispanics for being too studious and “wasp”- - one graduated Harvard Law and the other from med School- and the taunters? Many came from poor families whose folks were working 2-3 menial jobs to live in the best suburban school district to try and give them a good education so they wouldn't have to work menial jobs.
Go figure (I always thought it would be Clemenza- but Tessio was the smart one)
Keep in mind also that those who came here were often the more ambitious ones, and you see this today with the entrepreneur class among Latin/Filipino/Vietnamese immigrants. Nevertheless, there was a large population of folks who were dependent on the city or the union for their low status jobs which kept them living in the same ethnic ghettos for three generations, as they failed to shake the "village"/tribal mentality towards material success and upward mobility.
It was even worse back in Europe itself, where the larger culture was dominated by the "material success and surpassing your family is Pride" ethos. Again, this changed in several countries at different times (France in the 1840s, Ireland in the 1970s, Brazil in the 1990s, etc.) but you can't deny it was a major factor keeping Catholic cultures in relative poverty.
These parents are like the obamas.
Second generation of affirmative action, living comfortable middle and upper class lives, and still angry at "racist" America that is the basis of their children's problems. They feel more in common with Rodney King than with Michael Steele
Raised feeling like “their people” were victims and affirmative action was not only a good thing but an entitlement and a noble thing.
Entitled. Now, so their kids are angry and being pushed through the system as 3rd generation affirmative action with no effort or qualification except being angry and demanding.
In the New World, at least, these countries were colonized by continental Europeans with strong monarchies and an entrenched class structure to match.
Conjecture: The conquistadors found a way to graft their class structure onto the tribal societies they sujugated, ensuring the perpetuation of the strongly classed society in the colonies (down to the present day) even after it faded in the Old World.
Of course, some are Smarts and some are Ferraris, and what can you do?
It's per se. Latin.
We keep hearing how “we” are somehow failing these no-loads.
They are forced to go to “terrible schools”
Theyt CREATE the terrible schools. Many of these kids act like wild animals. Nearly all are unwilling, and I think a good many are incapable of learning or acting civil. Is that too harsh? Go and spend a week in one of these places.The same big-city schools, 50 or more years ago, graduated generation after generation of white kids, including many European immigrants, many poverty-stricken, who didn’t speak English as a first language.
In addition, the discipline was much more harsh, and the academic, dress, and behavior standards were much higher than now.
In the 70s and 80s, after the school systems of many big cities had already been written off as “no good”, an influx of Indians, Koreans, and Vietnamese came to the U.S. At first, the families settled in cities, and their kids went to these supposed “bad” schools—and did terrific.
Of course, they faced a lot of racial animosity from the blacks, and as they and their parents did better and better, they moved to the ‘burbs.
These people whining remind me of someone who has crapped their pants and walks around wondering why everywhere smells bad.
for later reading, thanks
“These people whining remind me of someone who has crapped their pants and walks around wondering why everywhere smells bad.”
First they said the problem was no black teachers, so they hired black teachers, then it was tried black Principals, then black school administrations, school boards, etc. Then it was spending, tests that were culturally biased, etc. Millions have been spent trying to come up with tests where black kids score the same as whites. Still no success. All the external factors have been tried. Its not the system, its their culture that is the problem.
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