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To: J. Neil Schulman
The reactions to your list demonstrate all that is wrong with contemporary debate of issues. Everyone is looking for 100% agreement without discussion.

If people disagree on just one topic - that's it! Finished! No more discussion.


53 posted on 09/27/2009 6:54:04 AM PDT by Codeflier (We just had 8 more years of a democrat president in office, we already know what happens!)
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To: Codeflier
The founders of this republic considered the simplest truths and the most basic principles to be beyond debate. That's why they called those truths, those fundamental principles of self-governance, "self-evident," and premised the American republic upon them.

If folks can't see what is as plain as the nose on their face, ie "self-evident," all debate is probably useless anyhow. You're arguing with a man born blind about the nature of color.

56 posted on 09/27/2009 7:10:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: Codeflier; All

I don’t agree with your assertion that everyone is looking for 100% agreement, and if they don’t get that 100% agreement, then the discussion is done.

If someone makes ten statements, each one cannot be evaluated in a vacuum. Every statement bears on every other statement, even if they are not logically related.

I may listen to Ron Paul and agree with 90% of what he says. But I won’t vote for him on the basis of that 10% that I disagree with, because that 10% disagreement reveals a basic and fundamental flaw in my eyes. Take the following example of three statements someone might make about what is wrong with America:

1.) The government spends too much.

2.) Taxes are too high.

3.) We aren’t doing enough to combat global warming.

Even though I disagree with only 33%, that doesn’t mean I don’t agree with the other 67%. If I am not interested in discussing the 67% percent, that doesn’t mean I am rejecting 100% of the premise. It means I am rejecting 33% of it.

People support various causes or candidates for various reasons. While I might or might not support someone even if they believe global warming, I won’t support someone if they think we are not paying enough taxes. However, you don’t have to look very far to see someone who might support someone who believes the inverse.

I think you are simply wrong in the conclusion you draw about contemporary debate of issues.


64 posted on 09/27/2009 7:25:41 AM PDT by rlmorel (You cannot reap the benefits right now of the planning ahead you didn't do in the past.)
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To: Codeflier

Codeflier wrote:

“The reactions to your list demonstrate all that is wrong with contemporary debate of issues. Everyone is looking for 100% agreement without discussion. If people disagree on just one topic - that’s it! Finished! No more discussion.”

Excellent point well said.


129 posted on 09/27/2009 2:31:21 PM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
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