Posted on 10/12/2009 6:33:54 AM PDT by chicagolady
NATIONAL EVANGELICALS PRESIDENT SAYS PRO-AMNESTY SUPPORT WAS UNANIMOUS
Rev. Leith Anderson, president of the NAE, was invited by Sen. Shumer (D-N.Y.) to testify in favor of the Senate immigration chairman's push to create amnesty legislation this fall.
Sen. Shumer asked Rev. Anderson if many of his colleagues agree with his support for legalizing 12-20 million illegal aliens and increasing the legal immigration far higher than the 1 million a year current level (the two key components of "comprehensive immigration reform").
Rev. Anderson answered that there was no dissent in adopting the pro-amnesty resolution on the 75-member NAE board of directors.
ZERO dissent.
SOME OF THE DENOMINATIONS & ORGANIZATIONS BEHIND THE AMNESTY PUSH
Rev. Anderson described the NAE as:
. . . a network of 40 denominations comprising more than 45,000 local churches located in every congressional district and every state. The NAE membership also includes evangelical universities, seminaries, ministries, local congregations, and individuals.
(Excerpt) Read more at virtueonline.org ...
The word Alien used in the Bible does not mean illegal alien. The church is leaing the downfall of our nation.
I was priviledged to testify along with James Edwards in Washington C on May 27, 2007.I will post his wonderful testimony, that will give Christians great talking points on this matter.
If you do not see a leader...BE A LEADER!!
How many people does this NEA represent? Is this another phony leftist imitation?
They set up organizations to imitate anything.
Dear Rev. Anderson - I am not in favor of amnesty. Therefore the support is no longer unanimous. Please retract your statement.
Socialists infiltrated the theological seminaries at roughly the same time they infiltrated academe at-large.
They have been pushing Socialism into the pulpit and God and Jesus OUT of the pulpit for over a century, albeit very gradually and very subtly.
And, as C.S. Lewis points out, a typical tyrant is bad, but a tyrant who believes his tyranny is based in religion is about as bad as you can get.
And some of my most vicious debates over current-events issues have been with fellow “brothers in Christ” who absolutely refuse to give up their socialist world view in favor of inconvenient facts, and who refuse to consider the possibility that their interpretation of scripture has been skewed by pastors and preachers with an ulterior motive.
Beware the wolf in sheep’s clothing.
If your church body belongs to this Leftist group, protest. If that does no good, leave. There is nothing in the Bible that gives law-breakers a pass, unless the government directly goes against God’s law, such as allowing the killing of babies.
Testimony of James R. Edwards, Jr., Ph.D.
Adjunct Fellow, Hudson Institute
House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration
May 22, 2007
Madam Chairman, Ranking Member King, members of the subcommittee, thank you for
inviting me to present a faith perspective on the immigration issue. I commend you for giving serious
consideration to this important aspect. My remarks represent the earnest, considered views of a lay
Christian who has sought to honor the Lord God (as Colossians 3:23 instructs, to work heartily for the
Lord’s pleasure) as I have engaged in my calling to the public policy sphere.
I certainly don’t claim that my conclusions are infallible because, like every other human
being who has ever lived (except Jesus), I am imperfect. As Francis Schaeffer said, “Having been
made in the image of God, man is magnificent even in ruin. God made man to be responsible for his
thoughts and actions . . . .” That wonderful description instills both humility and love.
I don’t claim to be a theologian. But as C.S. Lewis said, you don’t want theologians writing
civil laws; that’s outside their calling. Rather, you want faithful believers whom God has called into
the public policy field and equipped for that work.
On many subjects, Judeo-Christian Scripture is clear.
It contains proscriptions on murder,
theft, and perjury, for instance. But on immigration, as with other areas of public policy, Scripture isn’t
definitive. That would leave the specifics of immigration policy in the realm of prudential judgment.
In other words, one would need guidance from applicable biblical principles, to apply those
principles according to the specific facts known from general revelation and particular circumstances,
and to exercise sound judgment.
This process would necessarily involve a fair reading of the Bible,
taking passages in context, weighing various texts, and giving prayerful consideration to how those
texts should be regarded here, now. It would require reason, logic, and dispassionate weighing of
these factors. And, of course, a biblical approach would require removing, as much as humanly
possible, ulterior motives.
Thus, while different Christians may arrive at different conclusions as to policy specifics on
subjects like immigration where Scripture is silent or unclear, that fact would represent the freedom
they have in the Lord as His creatures and His followers — not that the Lord is Himself of a divided
mind. With many policy matters, more than one course of action that would pass muster with the
Lord God exists, or fulfill His will.
I believe this is the case with immigration.
Nine Biblical Principles
How might those seeking to exercise prudence approach the immigration issue? From what
biblical guidance can we derive sound immigration policy? I submit that we might begin with five
general principles from Scripture.
First, the two cornerstone commandments: Love the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind;
and love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said these summarize God’s moral law, the Ten
Commandments (Matt. 22:37-40). They are timeless. They oblige each person, and that standard,
exercised by individuals, would thereby be reflected in civil society.
Second, God has given both temporal and eternal obligations. In Matthew 22:21, Jesus
says, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” This principle implies that some
binding moral commands may apply differently to individuals and to civil government.
Third, God doesn’t contradict Himself, and God’s principles don’t contradict one another.
Thus, His principles of justice, fairness, and equality don’t contradict, but are complementary to His
principles of mercy. Also, both justice and mercy principles obligate us more to some people over
others.
Elements of both sets of principles apply to us individually and as a body politic, but not
always equally. For example, Exodus 23:2 warns us “not [to] show favoritism to a poor man in his
lawsuit.” But James 2:1 says “don’t show favoritism [to the rich].” James 2:9 calls showing favoritism
“sin.”
In the context of the Golden Rule, the obligation to show mercy is greater for individuals than
could rightly be expected of civil government. Luke 6:30-31 says, “Give to everyone who asks you,
and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have
them do to you.” Obviously, that would be unjust for civil government to attempt, and such an attempt
at mercy would result in injustice (as well as be unwise and profligate with public resources).
The
state can’t turn the other cheek (Luke 6:29-30). The state can’t give its tunic. The state can’t turn a
blind eye toward someone who has stolen. The state can’t forgive someone 70 times seven times
(Matthew 18:21-22).
Read More..............
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/May2007/Edwards070522.pdf
Evangelicals don’t have a president.
This is insane. They have to earn it. There are so many waiting to get to this country LEGALLY it isn’t fair to them. And these people break our laws to get here and are getting all kinds of free handouts, taking jobs from other American’s. They should not be just allowed to stay.
Let’s see, Shumer and Anderson. It rather evokes the memory of Pilate and Ananias.
These brands of Christianity aren't organized in such a fashion that socialists can easily infiltrate their ministries. The Catholics have a high bar to clear (celibacy) while the Mormons rely on an unpaid ministry.
So a socialist is going to have to be celibate (or at least good at not getting caught) if they are going to become a Catholic priest or nun and their going to have to find an alternative method of earning a living if they are going to become a Mormon bishop. Both tend to be very high bars to clear for your average Marxist-Socialist.
Sounds like some churches need to have their tax-exempt status yanked.
The churches have a vested interest in amnesty. They see illegal aliens as members and future members of their churches. The Catholic Church is one of the worst offenders in the battle against illegal immigration and amnesty.
Here is another guy who was testifying that day..He is BRILLIANT!
He is a son of a Refugee!!
May 22, 2007
Statement of
Stephen Steinlight
Senior Policy Analyst, Center for Immigration Studies
Remarks for Hearing of Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship,
Refugees, Border Security, and International Law
Committee on the Judiciary
U.S. House of Representatives
http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/steinlighttestimony052207.html
He adds : Even the DEVIL can recite scripture!! It was CLASSIC!!
I have been saying for a couple years here on FR (and being pilloried for it) that evangelicals are no more likely to be conservatives than your average licensed driver.
Conservatism <> religious belief.
Wonder what the National Evangelicals have to say about the RULE OF LAW? Crickets. I still want someone to explain to me how legalizing 30 million or so illegals is going to discourage other illegals from coming here.
I was surprised by some of the names on the list and they are not left by any means.
Evangelical just doesn’t mean what it used to.
On the other hand, many churches see their work on earth as spreading the gospel to every person, converting the lost and bringing them to Christ.
It has nothing to do with defending national borders, which often are seen as impediments to sharing the gospel.
So you will find churches will end up on the other side of the immigration debate, since they have a heavenly, not earthly, focus.
The Catholic church is often on the pro-amnesty side of the debate.
Illegal immigration is one of those issues that divides the conservative movement — which is why the liberals love it so much, even though it apparently splits their coalition as well.
You simply can’t get a majority coalition together that agrees on every issues. So over time, we’ve come to emphasize issues that are easy to define and split people cleanly, to try to maintain the coalitions. immigration wasn’t one of those issues.
I was surprised by some of the names on the list and they are not left by any means.
THE LIST:
| Current Denominational Members |
| Anglican Mission in America Assemblies of God Brethren in Christ Church Christ Community Church Christian Reformed Church in North America Christian Union Church of God Church of the Nazarene Churches of Christ In Christian Union Conservative Congregational Christian Conference Conservative Lutheran Association Converge Worldwide Elim Fellowship Evangelical Assembly of Presbyterian Churches Evangelical Congregational Church Evangelical Friends Church International Evangelical Presbyterian Church Evangelical Free Church of America Every Nation Churches Fellowship of Evangelical Churches Free Methodist Church of North America General Association of General Baptist Grace Communion International Great Commission Churches International Church of the Foursquare Gospel International Fellowship of Christian Assemblies International Pentecostal Church of Christ International Pentecostal Holiness Church Missionary Church, Inc. Open Bible Churches Presbyterian Church in America Primitive Methodist Church USA Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America The Brethren Church The Christian & Missionary Alliance The Evangelical Church The Salvation Army The Vineyard, USA Transformation Ministries United Brethren in Christ US Conference of the Mennonite Brethren Churches The Wesleyan Church Corporation |
Rev. Anderson answered that there was no dissent in adopting the pro-amnesty resolution on the 75-member NAE board of directors.
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75 for AMNESTY...
299,999,925 against...
“These brands of Christianity aren’t organized in such a fashion that socialists can easily infiltrate their ministries. The Catholics have a high bar to clear (celibacy)...”
Ummm...haven’t read the Pope’s encyclical, eh?
The Catholic Church has a LOT of pro-amnesty, liberal nuns and priests!
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