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Retirement community wants girl, 6, gone
upi ^ | Oct. 22, 2009 a

Posted on 10/22/2009 5:38:34 PM PDT by JoeProBono

PINELLAS PARK, Fla.- A Florida couple said the homeowners association of their retirement community is trying to evict their 6-year-old granddaughter.

Jimmy and Judie Stottler of Pinellas Park said their granddaughter, Kimberly, came to live with them as an infant when authorities took her away from her drug-abusing mother, WSTP-TV, St. Petersburg, Fla., reported Thursday. The girl has stayed with her grandparents in the retirement community since, even though the community's rules don't allow children.

The couple said the homeowners association is now pressuring them to comply with the ban on children, but they are unable to move because they can't find a buyer for their house, said Robert Eckard, an attorney representing the family free of charge.

"If they sell the home, they can move; if not, they're homeless on the street," he said.

The Stottlers said they fear Kimberly may be put in foster care if they can't sell their house. Eckard said the final decision on whether the child can stay will be up to a judge.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: children; contracts; fla; grandparents; hoa; retirement
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To: Valpal1
Age discrination is illegal and the equal protections clause requires laws to apply equally to ALL persons.

Oh. What EXACTLY does "ALL persons" mean?

81 posted on 10/22/2009 7:04:47 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Ramius
However, they failed to enforce the rule for six years. There’s a fair argument that the rules are only enforced capriciously, and that undermines their case.

Perhaps the HOA was sympathetic to the plight of one of their neighbors, suddenly saddled with an infant they were not expecting.

However, 6 years is enough time to remedy the situation on their own. They should have found another place to live.

No need to punish the HOA for the compassion they showed early on.

82 posted on 10/22/2009 7:06:54 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: ColdWater
Who's morals? Yours, mine or Obama's?

Both common law and contract law have a lengthy history or precedence of what is considered immoral or unconscionable and therefore void and unenforceable, like contract murder, selling sexual favors, gambling debt.

You can write a contract, a judge may decline to enforce it.

83 posted on 10/22/2009 7:08:58 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: Valpal1
Both common law and contract law have a lengthy history or precedence of what is considered immoral or unconscionable and therefore void and unenforceable, like contract murder, selling sexual favors, gambling debt. You can write a contract, a judge may decline to enforce it.

Wow! Enforcing HOA agreements is akin to murder. Who'd athunk!

84 posted on 10/22/2009 7:13:08 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

“any person within its jurisdiction” pretty much means everyone except those with foreign diplomatic status according to most courts.


85 posted on 10/22/2009 7:17:12 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: Valpal1
“any person within its jurisdiction” pretty much means everyone except those with foreign diplomatic status according to most courts.

So it is unconstitutional to keep 10 year olds from drinking and driving?

86 posted on 10/22/2009 7:20:35 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
Wow! Enforcing HOA agreements is akin to murder. Who'd athunk!

When they try to enforce unconscionable clauses, yes.

87 posted on 10/22/2009 7:29:37 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: Valpal1
When they try to enforce unconscionable clauses, yes.

That won't fly in this case as the couple probably wanted to join that community.

88 posted on 10/22/2009 7:34:58 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
Just don't want you and your liberal judges taking my rights away ...

Like the right to a legally enforceable contract?

89 posted on 10/22/2009 7:39:18 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: JoeProBono

As a teenager, my family lived in a retirement community... one where no children (teenagers, too) were allowed.

That said, they did allow exceptions. The lease required that any child would have to follow community guidelines, specially noise guidelines - on pain of immediate lease termination.

Most places, I expect, allow exceptions like those above.

So, I’m thinking the little kid is a really hellion, for the retirees to be so up-in-arms over a 6-year old.


90 posted on 10/22/2009 7:43:22 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: ColdWater

Sorry for my previous post. I misunderstood your position.


91 posted on 10/22/2009 7:43:39 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Valpal1

Florida Statute allows for “over 55” communities. It is legal age discrimination.


92 posted on 10/22/2009 7:45:31 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Democrats scare me, the GOP infuriates me.")
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To: Dianna
Sorry for my previous post. I misunderstood your position.

Been there, done that. Usually blame it on my fogged glasses or too many rum and cokes!

93 posted on 10/22/2009 7:47:39 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

Once again, apples and oranges. Drinking and driving laws are equally applied to all ten year olds. There are valid public policy reasons for restricting cars and booze based on age.

There are no valid public policy reasons to restrict who may live where, certainly not based on age. There are valid legal argumeents against HOA age restrictions and enforcement in the courts is not a slam dunk for an HOA. They better have dotted all their I’s and crossed all their T’s.


94 posted on 10/22/2009 7:50:17 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: Valpal1
Once again, apples and oranges. Drinking and driving laws are equally applied to all ten year olds.

The HOA rules apply equally to all ten year olds.

95 posted on 10/22/2009 7:53:31 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Valpal1
There are no valid public policy reasons to restrict who may live where, certainly not based on age.

There is no public policy reason to limit driving and drinking based on age. I probably had better driving skills at 10 than you did when you got your license.

96 posted on 10/22/2009 7:54:49 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: NonValueAdded

So does Federal Law, but they can lose the designation by failing to follow the rules or failing to enforce them equally.

The HOA would do better to buy them out than try to force them out.


97 posted on 10/22/2009 7:56:16 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: Valpal1
The HOA would do better to buy them out than try to force them out.

Unfortunately, the HOA is barred from printing money.

98 posted on 10/22/2009 7:57:46 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
There is no public policy reason to limit driving and drinking based on age.

LOL! You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Good night.

99 posted on 10/22/2009 7:58:33 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: Valpal1
LOL! You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Good night.

I bet you are also in favor of taking driver's license away from everyone over 62!

100 posted on 10/22/2009 7:59:52 PM PDT by ColdWater
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