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Adventures in upgrading ( from Vista to Windows 7 on a Laptop by Ed Morrissey at HotAir )
Hot Air ^ | October 23, 2009 8:05 am | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 10/23/2009 12:34:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

A couple of weeks ago, I asked Hot Air readers if they would immediately upgrade from their current operating system to the newly-released Windows 7.  Only 16% said they would change operating systems immediately, while 37% said that they would keep their XP software until forced to change.  Surprisingly, 10% said they would stick with Vista, which has become a lot more stable, but is still a resource hog.

Because I’m either a tech geek or a fool, I decided to upgrade immediately.  I have a high-powered laptop that consistently underperformed, at least in my opinion, under Vista.  While I wrote that the experience of OS upgrades was as thrilling as “a Barack Obama speech on prime time, or a slow root canal with not quite enough Novocaine to cover the job,” I also got a lot of feedback from beta testers on Win7 that it was worth trying.  I decided to join the 16% that wanted to put Vista in the rear-view mirror immediately.

At the same time, I got contacted by Laplink, which wanted to know if I wanted to test their new PC Mover product.  Normally, this is intended for use when upgrading from an old PC to a new one, to move applications and data files more easily than in the Windows Vista system (and presumably Win7 as well) .  However, Laplink designed their latest version to also handle a Vista-to-7 upgrade process on a single laptop, which they offered to me for free with no commitment to discuss it, which I mention in the service of full disclosure.

The upgrade process is rather straightforward for both programs.  PC Mover only comes into play before and after the upgrade; it does not involve itself in the Windows 7 system upgrade ......

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: windows7

1 posted on 10/23/2009 12:34:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ShadowAce

fyi....


2 posted on 10/23/2009 12:34:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the post, I’m contemplating the switch to 7.


3 posted on 10/23/2009 12:35:43 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

4 posted on 10/23/2009 12:38:30 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
In fact, Win7 has been surprisingly good in the few hours that I have played with it. For most veteran Windows users, the changes are subtle and mainly intuitive. You may not notice many of them, in fact; I recommend going through the “Discover Windows 7″ videos to get an idea of how they have changed the behavior of windows and app-switching. The system is undeniably faster, especially in the boot sequence, and thus far has thrown no error messages. The User Account Control on Vista got so annoying that I wound up turning it off, but I’m leaving it enabled on Win7, as it seems much less intrusive. It’s also scalable, unlike the on-or-off choice in Vista, but I’m leaving it at the recommended level.

Ping for later

5 posted on 10/23/2009 12:38:41 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: Huskrrrr

there should be no reason to stay on windows vista or xp. Windows 7 is a much better experience


6 posted on 10/23/2009 12:38:58 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I've been mostly satisfied with WindowsXP and based on the technical news, I stayed away from Vista like the plague. However, I have recently read that there is no way to update directly from XP to 7.

Is that true? (Sniff.)

Congressman Billybob

Don't Tread On Me (9/12 photo and poster"

"A Slimy Man, on a Slimy Network"

7 posted on 10/23/2009 12:41:35 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Tom Paine and the future of America: www.TheseAreTheTimes.us)
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To: Congressman Billybob

you could upgrade to windows 7 from xp, it just wipes everything from your computer and treat it like a clean install. Just move everything important to a backup drive


8 posted on 10/23/2009 12:43:33 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Congressman Billybob
Don't know yet,...got to go get my special copy I bought a few weeks ago at Fry's...

I have a Laptop with Vista but I don't use it much.

Do my Browsing and activity on Free Republic with Ubuntu and Linux Mint....much safer.

Just doing this with the latest Ubuntu 9.10 Release Candidate that came out yesterday.

9 posted on 10/23/2009 12:45:02 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: 4rcane; Congressman Billybob
Just move everything important to a backup drive

That is a real pain...unless you have something like the program Ed references....

PC Mover.

10 posted on 10/23/2009 12:47:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: 4rcane
there should be no reason to stay on windows vista or xp. Windows 7 is a much better experience

I'll confirm that. Booting is good, the part that I found surprising is that WinXP's boot time degenerates over time. It will go from booting in 30 seconds, to 1 minute to up to 5 minutes (like mine) over several years of accumulated crap.

Tests by Tomshardware and Gizmondo ran tests and found that unlike WinXP, Win7 doesn't 'degenerate' into slow boot time over a simulated 3 year test. I found that intresting.

11 posted on 10/23/2009 12:47:47 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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Product Features


12 posted on 10/23/2009 12:49:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bookmark for home


13 posted on 10/23/2009 12:50:51 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The People have abdicated our duties; ... and anxiously hope for just two things: bread and circuses)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I dunno how ppl organise their hard drives, but I make it a habit to keep everything important in their own folder, thus i can move them around to different drives. 2nd drive, Backup is very important

If they’re all over the place in multiple folders than yea its a pain, but you have to start somewhere


14 posted on 10/23/2009 12:51:00 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane
there should be no reason to stay on windows vista or xp. Windows 7 is a much better experience

Other than I ain't got the money to buy another OS from MS.

What I have does fine for what I want it to do.
Until I have something that I NEED to upgrade for I don't see a reason to upgrade.

15 posted on 10/23/2009 12:52:12 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: 4rcane
Glad to hear you say that and for the other positives expressed for this upgrade.

I am sucking eggs on Team Fortress 2 with damned lag spikes that momentarily freeze me just as I am about to kill someone or be killed. I hate it so much that I have tried everything to figure out whats causing the lag spikes. Nothing has gotten rid of them.

I am perhaps mistaken in hoping that an upgrade like this might eliminate the problem. But if it wont cause more problems then what Ive got then its worth the $115.

16 posted on 10/23/2009 12:54:19 PM PDT by corkoman
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To: 4rcane

Ditto that.

I’m going to W7 as soon as my disk arrives. However, my wife is NOT moving her Vista machine. She isn’t a Vista fan or anything, but changing OS’s is really, really not her thing. The ONLY reason she’s on Vista is she got my old Vista machine when I went to a 64 bit machine with a better CPU and GPU. I had to force her off W98se to W2000pro where she stayed till Vista.

I’ve upgraded My Vista 64 bit to W7 64 bit the RC, and it is as painless and smooth as one can imagine. But then, I went back to factory settings and Vista, ‘cause I’m a weirdo, and because I have the RTM W7 pre-ordered and I’m going to do a fresh installation. Probably not going to do the “upgrade” this time, but the new installation.


17 posted on 10/23/2009 12:54:25 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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To: Huskrrrr
I have been running Windows 7, evaluation copy, for a couple or three months and have only had two issues: HP doesn't have a 64-bit driver for my printer and at least as of a month or so ago Logitech Camera 9000 driver didn't seem to work with 7. Of course any errors may be operator induced
18 posted on 10/23/2009 12:56:55 PM PDT by sticker
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I heartily recommend Wondows 7. Been using Windows 7 RC (release candidate) for 4 months. Compared to XP and anything Vista it’s great.

MS tried to make networking ‘easier’ and mangled it, again, with “homegroup” ... but nothing you can’t overcome in an hour.


19 posted on 10/23/2009 1:04:07 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Great timing! Just stepped away from laptop while files are backing up. Browsing on my phone now. :-(
55 yr old eyes using a phone screen & keypad designed for 18 yr old eyes.

MS has an offer for students with a .edu address. The professional version can be purchased for 29.99. It is called the Ultimate Steal (I think). I just found out about it a few days ago. We took advatage of it for my son. Can’t look up the link on my phone—sorry.


20 posted on 10/23/2009 1:08:57 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I used that PC mover when I went from 2000 to XP Pro and it worked like a charm...don’t think I’ll be going to 7 until they have at least 2 service packs, though...unless they completely end support on XP...which I doubt will happen for a while yet...


21 posted on 10/23/2009 1:20:28 PM PDT by jessduntno (Privatization + Inter-State Sales + Individual Policies + Tort Reform = Healthcare Reform)
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To: Congressman Billybob; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yes, you can migrate from XP to Windows 7, as Ed demonstrated.

I posted on FR about doing just that only yesterday. That post is here.

Contrary to the naysayers, who probably mixed up the porduct with anther one, it worked flawlessly for me and, oh, Ed Morrissey, too.

In addition, there is a youtube video of PC Mover Upgrade Assistant being installed and used, here.

It's at an introductory price of $19.95, and that covers one move only. They have a very nice step by step user's guide posted for downloading that I felt useful.


22 posted on 10/23/2009 1:21:16 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: Hodar; 4rcane
I'll confirm that. Booting is good, the part that I found surprising is that WinXP's boot time degenerates over time. It will go from booting in 30 seconds, to 1 minute to up to 5 minutes (like mine) over several years of accumulated crap.

Use an actual disk defragmentation tool (like the real Diskeeper), don't install random garbage, and clean the registry every so often. Use msconfig to fine-tune the startup sequence. If you have a lot of unnecessary programs firing up at startup, your hard disk becomes a bottleneck. Oh, and maybe even use DeepFreeze, and store your data on an external disk drive or a NAS.

Your boot time may be degenerating because your user profile is getting "crufty" (or you have malware) or the startup sequence is bloated.

23 posted on 10/23/2009 1:28:48 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: papasmurf

Thanks,...


24 posted on 10/23/2009 1:29:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

You are right, I Goggled Ultimate Steal and the first entry was the site. Looks like my daughter is buying some software this weekend:)


25 posted on 10/23/2009 1:30:36 PM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So ( Go Braves! Braves are gone.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights; Ernest_at_the_Beach
MS has an offer for students with a .edu address. The professional version can be purchased for 29.99. It is called the Ultimate Steal (I think). I just found out about it a few days ago. We took advatage of it for my son. Can’t look up the link on my phone—sorry.

Qualified students can get Windows 7 Home Premium (NOT! Professional) for $29.99 from win741.com. As for "The Ultimate Steal" promo, qualified students can get Office 2007 Ultimate (a good deal) for $59.99 and Visio 2007 for an extra $55 (also a good deal, unless you have the IEEE student MSDN/e-Academy subscription like I do).

26 posted on 10/23/2009 1:30:50 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

might have to look into Diskkeeper. I have Avast, Windows Defender, Lavasoft’s Ad-aware and Spybot-Search and Destroy. I don’t think I have any malware.

I have been using the Windows Disk Defrag utility.

Any recommendations for free software to upgrade XP to Win7? Made the transition on my laptop; want that to run for a month or two before migratrating my desktops over.


27 posted on 10/23/2009 1:33:47 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Just another Joe; 4rcane
Other than I ain't got the money to buy another OS from MS. What I have does fine for what I want it to do. Until I have something that I NEED to upgrade for I don't see a reason to upgrade.

Same here!

I would rather go buy a high-quality NAS or some APC uninterruptible power supplies before I go piss hundreds of dollars away on Win7 for multiple PCs (plus upgrading our site license anti-virus, buying new hardware, time spent doing clean installs and reconfigurations, taking support calls from my sister two-hundred miles away at 1 am).

28 posted on 10/23/2009 1:35:07 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: corkoman
If you have an nvidia graphics adapter, Nvidia: Windows 7 "dramatically improves" GPU performance .This article might help/interest you.
29 posted on 10/23/2009 1:38:28 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: Hodar
might have to look into Diskkeeper.

Yeah, def. They have a home edition for $29.95 (link), although we have a multi-user site license (yep, at home, LOL) for the business version.

I have Avast, Windows Defender, Lavasoft’s Ad-aware and Spybot-Search and Destroy.

Spybot is nice because it monitors your registry.

I haven't used Ad-aware in years.

I haven't used Windows Defender or Avast.

My advice is to go get Nod32 from Eset (link). It's $59.99 for one year, and $89.99 for two years...for a single home user. They do offer multi-user discounts.

We use it here and it's VERY light on resources, VERY easy to use, has daily updates, and is extremely effective at protecting our systems.

I have been using the Windows Disk Defrag utility.

...which is a stripped-down version of Diskeeper. ;)

Any recommendations for free software to upgrade XP to Win7?

No, but that's because I have no intent to upgrade from XP Professional until 2012 at the earliest (more likely, late 2014, after MS extended support ends).

Remember, no matter what OS you use, if you set it up correctly from the get-go, it will give you years of good service.

30 posted on 10/23/2009 1:43:39 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Congressman Billybob
No direct upgrade but you'd want to do a "clean install" anyway but before I read this I had done my install and used the PC Mover method outlined here:

Move your programs to Windows 7

This alloed me to do a clean install upgrade/migration on the same drive.

Worked without a hitch and I'm very pleased with 7. I had fooled around with the beta and it was okay but I suspect that they removed debug code as the release version seems smaller and slightly faster (or maybe it's just my memory).

31 posted on 10/23/2009 2:00:18 PM PDT by Proud_texan (Scare people enough and they'll do anything.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

It’s true, no inherent direct upgrade.

Apple is even hitting on that point in it ads — if you have to start over anyway, why not start over with a Mac? Cute ad.


32 posted on 10/23/2009 2:08:51 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: rabscuttle385

Thanks for the correction and posting the info.


33 posted on 10/23/2009 2:09:17 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: 4rcane

Riiiiight. Next you’ll be selling Obamaware.


34 posted on 10/23/2009 4:22:45 PM PDT by cranked
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To: rabscuttle385; SeeRushToldU_So; Ernest_at_the_Beach

I just got back to my laptop. It does say Professional:

Microsoft Windows7 PROFESSIONAL Upgrade NOT Home Premium.

These are the links I used:

http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx

http://windows7.digitalriver.com/store/mswpus/en_US


35 posted on 10/23/2009 4:39:32 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bump


36 posted on 10/23/2009 6:14:58 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights; SeeRushToldU_So; Ernest_at_the_Beach

A closer examination of the offer’s FAQ says that both Home Premium and Professional can be purchased.


37 posted on 10/23/2009 10:24:51 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I wonder if it’s worth waiting for the price to go down or should I try to hornswaggle one of the students I know into buying it for me...


38 posted on 10/23/2009 10:33:51 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: rabscuttle385

My installation is finishing up now. It took forever to download and I have the high speed broadband.

Not sure how they decide what version you get. There was no choice option and I ended up with the Professional version for 29.99.

Maybe it was the 13.00 bucks I paid for the backup disk. Who knows?

Anyway it seems to be installing smoothly, yet as exciting as waiting for water to boil.


39 posted on 10/23/2009 10:43:52 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Kevmo

I like it. Playing with it now.
:-)


40 posted on 10/23/2009 11:14:21 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I haven’t read anything about driver compatibility. I am concerned with installing WIN7 on my older XP machine and none of the XP drivers working. Anybody had any experience with XP drivers not working with WIN7? Thanks!


41 posted on 10/23/2009 11:30:31 PM PDT by Chinito (6990th Security Group, RC-135/Combat Apple, RVN Class of '68)
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To: Chinito

Microsoft has a tool to check the comparability of your machine with Win7.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=1b544e90-7659-4bd9-9e51-2497c146af15


42 posted on 10/24/2009 2:26:07 AM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So ( Go Braves! Braves are gone.)
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To: SeeRushToldU_So

MS compatibility checked out ok. Sony’s website said I had incompatible hardware (VIO VGNCR120E running VISTA w/ service pack)

I did a custom install and have had no problems so far. Make sure backups are done with something other than Live One Care. Cannot be restored with the new program have for 7.

My laptop does run faster, takes some getting used to. NOT complaining!


43 posted on 10/24/2009 1:03:28 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: SeeRushToldU_So

Thanks. Tried the tool and it basically told me I need to buy a new Laptop with Win7 installed! (Not a bad thing!) Additional reading says Win7 is made to work with Vista drivers but not with XP drivers.


44 posted on 10/25/2009 12:39:18 AM PDT by Chinito (6990th Security Group, RC-135/Combat Apple, RVN Class of '68)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I had pre-ordered a copy from Best Buy back when they had a $50 deal last July.

Came today and my upgrade went surprisingly smooth. (With one exception).

Though I had removed ZoneAlarm quite some time ago, some untraceable parts remained and Win7 refused to go further until I took it out. It was not in Add/Remove nor on the All Program tree. No trace could I find but Win7 said it was still there nonetheless!

I Googled and found a link to a ZoneAlarm removal tool which did the trick.

I upgraded from Vista and am shocked that my browser links remained (Firefox, no less!), my cookies were intact and I could just click my normal link to here and made this post without even having to log on.

I’m sure I’ve got a lot of jiggering to do, but so far so good.


45 posted on 10/27/2009 8:12:00 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers

That is good.


46 posted on 10/27/2009 8:35:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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