Posted on 10/29/2009 3:57:08 AM PDT by Cindy
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October 27, 2009
MAYBE MULLAH OMAR IS SIMPLY AFRAID OF THE CHINESE
Vahid Brown has the lowdown on the dustup between al-Qaida Core and the Afghan Taliban
Posted on 27 October 2009 @ 13:11 GMT
Bump.
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www.jihadica.com/al-qa’ida-and-the-afghan-taliban-“diametrically-opposed”/
Al-Qa’ida and the Afghan Taliban: “Diametrically Opposed”?
Vahid Brown
October 21st, 2009 | AQ Leadership, Afghanistan, China, Hamas, Hezbollah, Jund Ansar Allah, Pakistan, Taliban
Mullah Omar’s Afghan Taliban and al-Qa’ida’s senior leaders have been issuing some very mixed messages of late, and the online jihadi community is in an uproar, with some calling these developments “the beginning of the end of relations” between the two movements. Beginning with a statement from Mullah Omar in September, the Afghan Taliban’s Quetta-based leadership has been emphasizing the “nationalist” character of their movement, and has sent several communications to Afghanistan’s neighbors expressing an intent to establish positive international relations. In what are increasingly being viewed by the forums as direct rejoinders to these sentiments, recent messages from al-Qa’ida have pointedly rejected the “national” model of revolutionary Islamism and reiterated calls for jihad against Afghanistan’s neighbors, especially Pakistan and China. However interpreted, these conflicting signals raise serious questions about the notion of an al-Qa’ida-Taliban merger.
The trouble began with Mullah Omar’s message for ‘Eid al-Fitr, issued on September 19, in which he calls the Taliban a “robust Islamic and nationalist movement,” which “wants to maintain good and positive relations with all neighbors based on mutual respect.”
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http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=SP262109
Special Dispatch - No. 2621
October 28, 2009
Taliban Monthly Magazine Article Envisions Taliban-Russia-China Alliance Against U.S., Ignores Chechens, Uyghurs; Warns that Australia May Have to Be Conquered as ‘Lebensraum’ for Asian Settlement
The cover article of the latest issue of the Taliban’s official Arabic-language Al-Sumud monthly magazine envisions a post-war order in which a Taliban victory in Afghanistan sparks a pan-Asian anti-imperialist renaissance.
Strikingly, it endorses a vision of Asian identity and political unity over a pan-Islamic one.
The article promotes ties with China and Russia, and does not just pointedly ignore the Muslim Uyghurs and Chechens, but even rails against supposed Western plans to dismantle China and Russia. The author, also hints at one point that the Taliban will not let the Central Asian and Chechen jihadists stand in the way of its rapprochement with Russia. This pan-Asian outlook is constructed in opposition to the imperialist capitalist West; for instance, he writes that in the future white Australians will have the choice of either returning to Europe, assimilating into Asia, or being conquered as “lebensraum” for continental Asians.
Thanks for the bump Jet Jaguar.
To make it short and sweet, the Islamic pragmatists recognize this fact.
It is one thing to take on the West (christian or not).
It is quite another thing to take on the RED Chinese or even the still-RED Russians. These regimes will stop at nothing to defend their sovereignty without internal squabbling and descent.
Thanks for reading it and your feedback wmileo.
The Chinese don’t tolerate discussion or dissent anywhere. I wonder if they were in Afghanistan, instead of us, how they would handle it.
Of course he is. But you don’t have to be a zealot or a coward to be afraid of China.
First, China has a common border with Afghanistan. This means if the Taliban take over in the future, the Chinese can reach out and touch them. Omar is said to have ambitions for a Central Asian empire. That can only happen with Chinese consent.
Second, someone who doesn’t go around poking at hornets’ nests isn’t a coward. He’s merely prudent. China’s population is close to that of the entire ummah. However, the entire population of the ummah isn’t in Afghanistan - only 30m is. You don’t go around supporting terrorist attacks against neighboring countries with 40 times your population without incurring consequences.
Third, China has occupied Afghanistan before. If I were Omar, I wouldn’t want to remind China of this ancient territorial claim.
Fourth, China has been pretty lukewarm in its view of US forces in Afghanistan. Omar supporting terrorist attacks against China would make the Chinese a lot more supportive, perhaps to the extent of allowing US supplies through its territory (currently verboten).
Fifth, Afghanistan’s supply lines run through Pakistan. A key country keeping Pakistan afloat is China. Omar is currently living in Pakistan. If the Chinese ask Pakistan to squish Omar, Pakistan will do it.
Actually, Afghanistan was once part of the Chinese empire. The Arabs took it away from them, but found that they could expand no further (eastward).
The same way they handled TIBET. They forced intermarriage between ethnic Chinese and those natives of TIBET over the past 50 years so that the Dali Lama would not recognize the place even if he returned, which he of course can't ever do.
Say, aren’t you the rotten Chinese minister without portfolio in several of Clancy’s books?
Actually, I'm a character in Dynasty Warriors.
Mullah Omar gets weapons from Russia and China. AQ has been seen as of late as being too radical for even the Taliban types.
ADDING to post no. 3:
www.jihadica.com/the-taliban-the-un-and-al-qaida/
“The Taliban, the UN and al-Qaida”
Anne Stenersen
October 30th, 2009 | AQ Leadership, Afghanistan, Taliban
SNIPPET: “(Editor’s comment: Anne tried to post a comment on Vahid Brown’s landmark post on Al-Qaida-Taliban relations. Given that she is one of the world’s foremost experts on this issue, there was no way I was going to let her remarks “disappear” into the comments section. So here they are. Her text begins with a response to an earlier comment about Taliban’s view of the UN).
“Mullah Omar’s statement should not be interpreted to mean that he or other Taliban leaders are ready to recognize the United Nations. In fact, the Taliban’s leaders have criticized the UN on a number of occasions, in addition to the one you mention. In 2006 Mullah Omar accused the UN of being nothing but a “tool for America” and Mullah Baradir echoed this in 2008, saying that “we regard all the decisions of the United Nations towards Afghanistan, as American orders.” I do not think their 12 Oct 09 statement was issued as a direct response to forum criticism, since it is pretty consistent with the Taliban’s past propaganda statements on the UN.
From the Taliban’s perspective, opposing the UN and wanting to have “good relations” with neighbouring countries are not necessarily contradictory. “
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