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1 posted on 10/31/2009 10:34:49 AM PDT by rbbeachkid
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“When is Conservative enough, Conservative enough?”

When I say so.


2 posted on 10/31/2009 10:38:45 AM PDT by Tublecane
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Every voter has to decide that on a case by case basis.


3 posted on 10/31/2009 10:39:18 AM PDT by DManA
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Pretty simple in my book. Demand they follow the Constitution and de-construct the parts of the federal gov’t that is not constitutional (most of it).

IF we are not willing to go down that road, we will lose the country, and deservedly so.


4 posted on 10/31/2009 10:39:58 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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AMEN!!!!


5 posted on 10/31/2009 10:40:59 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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Where do we reach the balance between pulling the GOP back to their conservative roots and continually shooting ourselves in the foot?

I think that is a false choice. Republicans WIN when they espouse (and govern by) a conservative philosophy. It when they go statist that they shoot themselves in the foot. They didn’t get slammed in the last election because they were too conservative, despite what all the “helpful” big media pundits say.


6 posted on 10/31/2009 10:41:47 AM PDT by DManA
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“When is Conservative enough, Conservative enough?”

When we can at least field a candidate who did not FAVOR card check...


8 posted on 10/31/2009 10:44:05 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Faux News" to "Foe News"..."they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Ghandi)
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--perhaps one of my favorite Reagan quotes is pertinent--"when you go over a cliff with all flags flying, you are still going over a cliff"--
9 posted on 10/31/2009 10:44:23 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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But when is a candidate conservative enough?

Ask: is this candidate leading America to the right; i.e., to obey the Constitution, or to the Left? We don't expect perfection but we should expect loyalty.

10 posted on 10/31/2009 10:47:41 AM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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Scozzafava DEFINITELY isn’t “conservative enough.” If a tax and spend, ACORN loving, union supporting, pro-abort, gay marriage supporter is “conservative enough” then we might as well just all vote liberal Democrat.


11 posted on 10/31/2009 10:47:59 AM PDT by KansasGirl (I hate the media.)
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It’s actually quite simple: always vote for the most conservative guy. If the guy bucking the system is more conservative than the Republican, vote for the guy bucking the system. If it is the republican, vote for the Republican. Don’t EVER vote for the Democrat.


12 posted on 10/31/2009 10:48:52 AM PDT by fr_freak
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When abortion is abolished, marriage is between one man and one woman, and the Constitution is followed.


13 posted on 10/31/2009 10:49:47 AM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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Could you possibly be any more of a whiner? You would have to try really, really hard. We are about to witness a huge win for a CONSERVATIVE, and you sound EXACTLY like Newt Gingrich. Quit the hand-wringing already. This is a slap in the face that the GOP desperately needs. So much better it happens NOW with just ONE race at stake, rather than happen in race after race in 2010, when it could cost dearly a shot at getting rid of democratic majority in Congress.

If the GOP is STILL too brain dead to get the message after this disaster of theirs, then they deserve to lose race after race after race. If conservative leave en masse it will be because the GOP failed to be a base for us. It would be a shame if that happens, but if it does, the sooner the better.

Now, COWBOY (OR COWGIRL) UP, or are you happiest when you have something to complain or worry about?
15 posted on 10/31/2009 10:53:18 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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Is a candidate going to lead the country in a rightward direction? Even if it’s only a casual saunter to the right rather than the galloping stamped that I would prefer - I’ll at least have something to vote for.


16 posted on 10/31/2009 10:53:45 AM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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It’s pretty easy. In heavily R districts where any R will likely win, we should have the most conservative credible candidate. Period. That’s the way the dems do it—heavily D districts are almost all representedy by radical leftists.

In districts that are close, some compromises are sometimes necessary. But even there, a lot of unnecessarily liberal R’s get nominated.

It’s good R’s are finally realizing their country has been controlled for years by the folks who control who gets nominated by the R’s. The ruling coalition in the country is liberal R’s and the democrat party. That has been true for many many years.

Actual conservatives (as opposed to talk talk conservatives) just don’t get past the nomination that often. That is deliberate. Hopefully, conservatives will realize how important things like vacancy committee and contributing in the primaries to conservatives is. And you have to be willing to battle the party establishment with hammers and red hot tongs. They are not interested in changing the way things are.


17 posted on 10/31/2009 10:55:47 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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the one who follows the constitution. NOTHING else should be legislated. Not marriage, not abortion, not schools, NOTHING. Clean house, clean up those who legislate from the bench and those who appoint them ,and read the governing document this country was founded on. IF they want to change the law then get the 2/3 ratification required, if not, get OUT of endruns around it.

You will know you have the right gal or guy when they support the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, NOT the right to housing, subsidies, and healthcare.......pray often and hard for the wisdom to discern. I place my faith in God, and then vote for the man or woman who best embodies the constitution.


18 posted on 10/31/2009 10:59:42 AM PDT by wombtotomb
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The answer is pretty easy. Someone, maybe Mark Steyn, recently quoted William F. Buckley as saying that he voted for the most conservative candidate who has a chance to win.

I would elaborate a bit more:

1. How did the GOP candidate get the nomination? I think a liberal GOP candidate selected by the voters more easily gets my support than one picked by the state party leaders. I the voters pick the liberal Republican it means we need to find better conservatives to run the next time.

2. How liberal or conservative is the district? I am less likely to support a liberal Republican in a conseravative district. This is however a dangerous tatic as that is how you end up with Dim Senators from places like North Dakota who always vote GOP in the presidential race.

So I am happy to see the suspension of the GOP candidate in NY-23, Despite the GOP candidate not being a conservative as I might like, I would also love to see the 3rd party candidate drop out in the N.J. governors race.


19 posted on 10/31/2009 11:00:18 AM PDT by JLS
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..try using this guy's platform as a template:

LINK

20 posted on 10/31/2009 11:00:53 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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One answer might be that it is when the word "conservative" is understood by Republican candidates to mean "preserving" or "conserving" the ideas underlying our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Among those ideas, but not all-inclusive, are these:

- that our rights are Creator-endowed, not grants by government;

- that elected officials are just imperfect persons, like other citizens, and will not make better decisions than those they represent;

- that the "People's Constitution" divides, separates, limits and balances the powers it delegates to them--not the other way around; and,

- that if they do not begin to act like "conservatives" of the Founders' ideas of liberty and articulate those ideas clearly, then they will be sent home to live under the kind of tyrannical government power which they've participated in creating.

Electing a few real "conservative" independent candidates may just convince the others to "shape up or ship out."

21 posted on 10/31/2009 11:01:08 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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When they are not JUANnabies.


22 posted on 10/31/2009 11:04:26 AM PDT by Paladin2
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Where do we reach the balance between pulling the GOP back to their conservative roots and continually shooting ourselves in the foot? We will never really win with Democrat light. We won’t even come out to vote for them. Conservative can and do win elections. But when is a candidate conservative enough?

Somewhere to the right of where the party has been since 2000. There is a lot of room to move before we hit any kind of "purity." I am not impressed by arguments that conservatives are trying to enforce a purity. "Purity" implies 100% agreement with me, and I'm the only person who agrees with me 100%. Well, sometimes I disagree with myself, but that's a whole other topic.

It's been said that I should be able to vote for somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time, and I usually can, but when somebody drifts so far to the left I can't agree 50% of the time, then I'm a lost cause. Scozzafava was such a candidate. McCain's another for whom I have not voted in many elections.

23 posted on 10/31/2009 11:09:48 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Ram "Health Care Reform" down our throats in '09, and we'll ram it up your @ss in '10.)
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