Posted on 11/03/2009 4:25:59 AM PST by vanilla swirl
Evidence appears to suggest that Baxter International is responsible for a new deadly outbreak of viral pneumonia in Ukraine.
In February of 2009 Bloomberg reported that Baxter “accidentally” send vaccine material containing both live Avian bird flu and seasonal influenza to multiple laboratories worldwide. A laboratory decided to test the vaccine on it’s ferrets, but the ferrets all unexpectedly died. It must be noted that Baxter has made a “mistake” like this before. Blood products produced by Baxter once containd HIV. Thousands of haemophiliacs died due to this, and many went on to infect their spouses.
Later in the year, a bizarre story emerged on the internet. The Huffington Post reported on a a man named Joseph Moshe who was arrested after a hours long standoff with the police because he had supposedly made threats against the White House. The man was able to withstand multiple rounds of tear gas.
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Ongoing thread on the disturbing outbreak in the Ukraine —
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2374394/posts
It’s a long thread, but chock-full of information (Thanks to DvdMom) which gives some context for this article....
Just curious —
Why is this thread no longer on the Main Page??
What criteria did you use to move it to ‘General/Chat’??
‘Enquiring Minds Want To Know’... ;)
been looking through that earlier thread, but so much “stuff” to go through!
Also an Alex Jones link (of course!);
http://www.prisonplanet.com/swine-flu-mystery-virus-or-pure-hype-what-is-going-on-in-ukraine.html
IMO, a mistake to disregard or down play *alternative* news sources. People NEED to know what's happening regardless. It's not like OUR government will keep us informed.
First the Chernobyl disaster, then this. I smell USSR.
Would doubt something similar happening in Georgia.
“H1N1 which is clearly man made”
No, not really.
Is your field viruses?
We have competing stories. H1N1 is manmade and deaths from AIDS contaminated blood is part of the proof. What say you?
What do H1N1 and HIV have in common? Neither are manmade...but the deliberately cultivated hysteria surrounding both is most certainly manmade/government policy.
Here is an example of how it works:
http://attacreport.com/ar_archives/art_aids_spin_eis1.htm
http://attacreport.com/ar_archives/art_aids_spin_eis2.htm
Where are his results published? I would like to see his work.
The virus is acting like a normal pandemic strain.
thanks , for the ping :)
http://ionist.blogspot.com/2009/10/lab-origins-of-h1n1-influenza.html
There’s a thousand conspiracies and a thousand different experts that believe it wholeheartedly.
I don’t believe it was a bioweapon. If it was created by our military as suggested in your link, then they are complete failures. It is behaving like a wild virus, not an engineered weapon.
Second, there are more simple and likely explanations. The flu virus has a very interesting feature, multiple viruses can infect one cell. When this happen, the genetic bits are swapped back and forth. This is why a pandemic virus without virulence genes can suddenly turn deadly. The reason that most deadly flu viruses come from Asia is because the farming techniques place humans, fowl and swine in very close proximity which allows flu viruses with human transmission genes to easily pick up virulence genes from avian and swine strains. It also lets swine and avian viruses pick up human transmission genes. And lastly, it lets swine and avian strains to combine.
If you don’t believe me or think that explanation is a conspiracy, it is basic flu virology. Feel free to find a book in your public library that predates the current administration for verification.
You are free to believe whatever you want, but this place is starting to go crazy like the dems did durning the Bush administration.
OH BTW there are other people who do firmly believe it was a bioweapon - a test - with a relatively weak strain to see how to do it an improve. I do not go along with that but the outbreak starting in Mexico is very odd in the flu world.
No need to experiment. The genome for the 1917 pandemic has been sequenced, Only people 95 years old have immune systems that have seen it.
As far as Mexico being a strange place, the viruses are circulating throughout the world at the speed of international jets. There is no place further than 24 hours away anymore. Anywhere they raise pigs and chickens is a potential breeding ground and the viruses to put into that breeding ground are no longer geologically isolated.
Back in the 90’s, I worked across the street from the NIH, I’m not an epidemiologist but my work entails a lot of epidemiology so I’ve worked with a few. They have been stressed since the 70’s about the next pandemic. In the past, a new flu has almost always popped up in asia but before it has a chance to move west, the season ends and it peters out giving them time to figure out which strains were likely to be a problem here the following year. Then someone figured out that a business man from Taiwan could get on a jet and be in New York before he realized he was sick. If it were a bad bug, we would be caught with our pants down and no way to make a vaccine. This was before they developed the antivirals so they had nothing but tissues and chicken soup in their arsenal.
There are a few people that firmly believe that Bush blew up the WTC, the lunar landings were fake, and the Jews steal children’s organs. Believing something firmly does not make it true.
Read some of GGG’s posts. He has a collection of doozies.
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