Posted on 11/24/2009 1:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish
Recognizing the dignity of every human being is the key to evangelism, in my opinion.
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Nope Ephesians 4:32 doesnt mean that...
Recognizing the dignity of every human being is the key to evangelism, in my opinion.
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Nope Luke 6:37 doesnt mean that...
Recognizing the dignity of every human being is the key to evangelism, in my opinion.
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Nope 1 John 3:11 doesnt mean that...
Recognizing the dignity of every human being is the key to evangelism, in my opinion.
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Nope 1 John 4:7, 11, 12 doesnt mean that...
Recognizing the dignity of every human being is the key to evangelism, in my opinion.
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Nope Galations 3:28 doesnt mean that...
Christ didn’t ask, He commanded. Read my profile page for a little essay on ‘faithe’ and salvation. The one thing all cults associating themselves to Christianity have in common is the notion of working ones way to worthiness. In fact, all religions except Christianity seem to share this chracteristic ... it seemed to catch up Eve, so why not the rest of the race?
Recognizing the dignity of every human being is the key to evangelism, in my opinion.
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Bible scripture for that please...
Oh that’s right you tried to find one...
Ley me help you...
There are none...
Those scriptures you quoted mean only what they say and nothing else...
All the twisting in the world cannot make the Word of God line up with cute watered down worldly phrases...
Melian, I appreciate your spirit, and your ready citation of Scriptures. We always need more scripture citations. But you're unbalanced. You've seemed to cherry pick those Scriptures that only meet with whatever filter you've established -- and rejected the rest -- which would inform your stance. Let me just cite two from the NT (I could go on all day citing OT "imperfect" prophets to underline the exact same point):
So, Melian, what do you do -- or what do you say -- about these words uttered by these imperfect people?
Stephen:
51"You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit! 52Was there ever a prophet your fathers did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him— 53you who have received the law that was put into effect through angels but have not obeyed it." 54When they heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit... (Acts 7:51-55) [Of course, Stephen went on & got stoned for this...who are you, Melian, to rule out WHO is or isn't speaking under the direction of the Holy Spirit?]
Apostle Paul:
1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard? (Gal. 3:1-5)
Seems like you've posted enough times on this thread to exhibit some similar passion...
...when administering litmus tests and rectal exams to ascertain the Christianity of others. If one’s Christian faith is so weak that they must take shots at the faith of others, then their quest for ideological purity is merely an exercise in inflating their own faith by “lowering the bar”.
Hmm...seems like you've taken to some "ascertaining" yourself on who's supposedly inwardly motivated to supposedly "inflat[e]...their own faith."
How do you manage to make such an inward determination? Seer stone? Magic 8-ball? Your own personalized, (what was your framework again? oh, yeah, spiritual rectal exams...). Tell us, how do you get inside to assign motivation?
Who needs to imply? Lds convince their followers that they ARE "gods in embryo" and will become full-fledged "gods" in the next world -- to be adored, worshipped, prayed to, etc.
That my friend, is a cult.
Doin' the same thing Jim Jones did -- only helping people drink metaphoric, spiritual koolaid.
No “ascertaining” required on my part. I’m right.
“You’ve seemed to cherry pick those Scriptures that only meet with whatever filter you’ve established...”
Isn’t that what all quoters of scripture do? Doesn’t your pastor?
I say that as a Christian.
Not really worth the rebuttal.
placemarker
What do you see as the “hidden agenda”? You know, what you think is a hidden agenda may in fact be a reflection of your own doubt or paranoia.
You: Isn’t that what all quoters of scripture do?
A "filter" is the reception side of what we take away from Scripture. (Importers)
A "quoter" is on the lecture/preaching side. (Exporters)
So that's difference #1: If you're going to be bold enough to lecture somebody else on the scriptures & go into the "exporting" biz, then you need to also consider what other scriptures the listener may be adhering to...lest you have a less-than-balanced presentation.
Doesn’t your pastor?
My pastor & most pastors are more likely -- but not necessarily so -- to have considered the more complete pix of what Scripture has had to say on a given issue. And on issues where he hasn't, he may avoid even initiating pronouncements.
And even when pastors in general are both cherry-picking pronouncements according to limited filters, there's still even a second possible distinction in that they may be simply exposing their own vantage point versus imposing upon others -- trying to check their behavior.
Melian was BOTH exporting and imposing, not simply importing and exposing.
placemarker
Scriptures plainly teaches that believers are not to walk around blindly, ignoring sinful behavior or false teaching.
You seem to have been indoctrinated with the teaching of "tolerance" - a lukewarm philosophy that truth is subjective, and there is no absolute truth.
Those who would bring this attitude into the church ignore the Scriptures, because they do teach that there are absolute truths.
Thank you for the expository post on basic information theory—I’m sure I know a bit more about that than you do.
Regarding your quotes which I will not reproduce here, you were referring to another poster who DID in fact QUOTE scripture. Perhaps if you had paid a bit more attention to the original post you would not have seen fit to issue an unnecessary correction.
I accept your apology.
(Dr. Freud, I presume?)
You know, this comment,
coupled with your #18 post:
If one’s Christian faith is so weak that they must take shots at the faith of others, then their quest for ideological purity is merely an exercise in inflating their own faith by “lowering the bar” ...
...makes me wonder if you've found your own personal urim & thummim about how people think inwardly. I mean, you're a real wonder at psycho-analyzing inner motives & potential psychoses from afar...and if you have this urim & thummim that gives you such otherwise unattainable status info on strangers, then let me know. I'll help you market it & we'll make a bundle!
Otherwise, if you don't...
And you said: I say that as a Christian...
...then why don't you seemingly acknowledge this Scripture? The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart." (1 Sam. 16:7)
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