Film of Marilyn Monroe 'smoking marijuana' made public

But I’ll point out that “mother nature’s plants” can really do a number on you and society.

So can "The Devil's Nectar"...which it did to a very high degree in the early 19th century, according to a minority.

Eventually it reached a point where that miniority was able to get it prohibited. Yet society slid even further into crime and corruption during that era.

So, explain how the alternative of prohibition of alcohol was better for society? And how the continued prohibition of MJ will make any difference to those who use on a limited basis vs. those regulars.

Answer - it won't.

But like a lot of the policies of liberalism, the objective for many for it's continuation isn't the betterment of socieity...it's the gratification of self, in knowing that you did it "for the children".

“It’s fat and is a perfect tube - just like a CIGARETTE rolled in a factory.”

They did have those cigarette rolling gadgets back then. 40 years ago, when I smoked pot, I knew people who just could not roll a joint, and always used those rollers. And the pot was cr@p compared to todays Hi-Test. Ya hadda roll big joints, or smoke more than one to get high.

Of course it can occur and has occurred. But it is a completely different experience that I wish more people were allowed to enjoy.

Everything in the world is part of the human experience. Can you be happy living in a mudhut, farming/eating rice and experiencing nothing new every day until death? It was long believed that peasants deserved nothing better for the “good of society”.

Why eat chocolate, why climb mount Everest, why grill a delicious steak, why go out for a drive in your ’67 Mustang, why go to the moon, why make love beyond “missionary” standards? We don’t NEED to do those things and many people say we shouldn’t because they can hurt someone or society.

Creating laws pushed through by irrational fear driven by a hidden agenda will end up destroying society. See witch trials, prohibition, anti-nuclear power Nazis, taxing the “rich” to death, and now globull warming.

Do I have a solution that makes useful legal distinction of the former from the latter? No. But I’ll point out that “mother nature’s plants” can really do a number on you and society, and many libertarians here want to ignore that.

It's not that libertarians are blind to the effects marijuana can have on an individual or on society, it's just that they don't believe in using government force to address those effects.

If someone chooses to take the risk of becoming a dimwitted, unmotivated stoner, by what right can you force them to do otherwise? It's not the responsibility of the government to make sure we are all bustling with productive activity.

In the context of a welfare state rampant pot use could be problematic since that means more tax dollars extracted from the sober minded (assuming that pot use actually would become rampant if legalized). But that problem could and should be addressed by rolling back the welfare state and requiring drug testing of anyone receiving public assistance.

His methods and agenda have long been debated. The test he used for that “study” is one of his biggest controversies and has not been studied or proven. He charges people thousands of dollars for that test and tells them what he wants them to hear.

Of course, it is best to scare a concerned drug user away from using drugs. Much the same way a babysitter can scare a child into staying indoors instead of exploring outside. “You’ll get abducted by the boogeyman, sit home and play video games instead”.

Here’s a good website on research fraud with a few articles featuring this guy. I have been in research and was disgusted with the amount of lies in most organizations. http://www.quackwatch.org/

After extensive personal experience knowing many mathematicians, scientists, business owners and engineers that have smoked for decades with no harm, I very firmly believe it is BS and affects each person differently. I also know almost as many people that say cannabis affects them badly and do not smoke it by their OWN CHOICE.

Alcohol is 100% proven to cause brain damage in extreme addicts. Should we incarcerate every person for holding a beer?

Don't know how this will fit in with this thread, but...I received an old book from my father on everything from horse/pig/cow diseases to recipes for the new wife to recipes on how to make the patent medicines on the market...

The book is a history of life at the turn of the 20th century. Some of the recipes called for morphine, cocaine, oil of turpentine, oil of hemlock, tincture of opium, iodine of potassium and every narcotic you can think of.

Many of the tinctures I have never heard of. Lots of different herbs.

One receipe was called "Gold cure for Drunkenness", another was "Pink Pills for Pale People, and Liniment for Man and Beast". Lydia Pinkhams, which even in the 40's was a cure for childless women to get pregnant." It is a fascinating book as to how people took care of themselves and their farm animals before the days of medicine and doctors.

Also has photo's of diseases like Scarlet fever, small pox, etc.

It goes from a chapter on bread making to horse,cattle,sheep,hog and poultry diseases and cures...Also with crude photographs of diseased animals.

The chapter on farm animals was from 1917 Imperial Publishing com. Toronto, Canada..

This book is over 1000 pages and for a history buff of early life it is an eye opener.

Needless to say every narcotic available was for sale at the town pharmacy. Every pain killer was stocked on every farm as there was no doctors out in the boondocks. Don't remember a lot about drug addicts from that period...Drugs were not recreational, they were life saving...And there were no laws against dispensing them, or outlawing guns....

The chapter on home cooking has some great old receipes in it....The interesting thing is, for instance, On the Lady Baltimore Cake, no time or temperature for the over was given...women just knew those kind of things and many probably baked over an open hearth...:O)

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