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F-22 Necessary For Continued Dominance
The Bulletin ^ | November 23, 2009 | John Tsucalas

Posted on 12/06/2009 2:26:22 PM PST by myknowledge

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1 posted on 12/06/2009 2:26:24 PM PST by myknowledge
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To: myknowledge

Wicked looking craft...


2 posted on 12/06/2009 2:29:18 PM PST by jessduntno (Stop The Federal Usurpation.)
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To: myknowledge

President Palin will reestablish the program as Reagan did the B-1.


3 posted on 12/06/2009 2:31:48 PM PST by Hazwaste (Some people are like slinkies. Only good for pushing down stairs.)
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To: myknowledge
Here's a real photo ...

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4 posted on 12/06/2009 2:31:52 PM PST by OwenKellogg (GOE 1, July 4, Sep 12, and Nov 7 DC rallies)
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To: myknowledge
F-22 vertical climb
5 posted on 12/06/2009 2:47:55 PM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Hazwaste

The B1-b was more relevant than the B1-a too.


6 posted on 12/06/2009 2:48:47 PM PST by omega4179 (0 is an embarrassment to us all.)
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To: myknowledge
If we can't have all the F-22's we need, at least make more F-15's and F-16's, upgrade their avionics from the 1980's a bit. The F-35 looks like a piece of junk to me, I'd take an F-4, my favorite next to the Avro Arrow, first. Still, between the two, I'd take more F-22's over the F-35.

Still overall, if you want to go on a shoestring, bring back the F-4 with upgraded avionics. B-)
7 posted on 12/06/2009 2:56:42 PM PST by Nowhere Man (The night they drove old America down (11-07-2009))
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To: jessduntno
Wicked looking craft...

Not on radar.

8 posted on 12/06/2009 2:58:00 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man
Wicked looking craft...

"Not on radar."

Hahahaha...

9 posted on 12/06/2009 3:00:19 PM PST by jessduntno (Stop The Federal Usurpation.)
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To: myknowledge

We make kick-ass aircraft!

The left doesn’t like American superiority which is why they hate our technology.


10 posted on 12/06/2009 3:03:06 PM PST by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Can't get rid of me Jim! Well, you can but you've put up with me so far.)
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To: Hazwaste

but US can’t afford it


11 posted on 12/06/2009 3:04:10 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: Nowhere Man
No. Upgrading to next-generation fighters is better than using upgraded old aircraft with new stuff, at least on the front line against a first-class adversary.

Remember WWII when the Japanese A6M Zero was outclassed by F6F Hellcat and F4U Corsairs in the PTO. The IJN decided to stay the course with Zeroes instead and their a$$e$ were whooped by the USN.

If the USAAF did not deploy the P-51 Mustang in ETO, the Third Reich's cities would not have been bombed to ruins and could have enabled the Luftwaffe to deploy the Me262 in large numbers and regain air superiority.

If I were a USAF general, I'd certainly tag along with next-generation fighters and gain air supremacy rather than lose it.

Still overall, if you want to go on a shoestring, bring back the F-4 with upgraded avionics.

Against a first-class adversary, the Rhinos would be mincemeat, unless you're facing MiG-21s.

12 posted on 12/06/2009 3:12:44 PM PST by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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If we can't have all the F-22's we need, at least make more F-15's and F-16's, upgrade their avionics from the 1980's a bit. The F-35 looks like a piece of junk to me, I'd take an F-4, my favorite next to the Avro Arrow, first. Still, between the two, I'd take more F-22's over the F-35.

Still overall, if you want to go on a shoestring, bring back the F-4 with upgraded avionics. B-)

The F-15 and 16, while great for their time, for their respective jobs, are out of date for Gen 5 aircraft coming out. The F-15 upgraded, would be hard pressed to keep up with the Russian Su-37/47. It would be stretched to its absolute max against the s-300/400 missile system if operated by an integrated by Russians.

I don't care if the F-15 costs $50 million per plane less. When planes are getting blasted and pilots dying, the added cost of the F-22 pays off.

You might be able to buy 50 new Eagles for 30 Raptors. But send 10 of the 30 Raptors up against the 50 Eagles, and your going to have 10 pilots coming back to share beers with their 20 buddies, who hung back. The Eagles will be scrapped.

Gen 5 fighters are that good. And the Raptor is the best of them.

13 posted on 12/06/2009 3:15:50 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: myknowledge; Mountain man
I guess I sort of look at the situation as like buying a car, just something that has 4 wheels and runs. I need it to take me to work, go shopping, haul stuff, see my friends and go out of town every once in a while. I guess by that definition just about any car will do, a 2010 Ford Taurus will do. However, I can do the same thing in a 1970 Dodge Dart, a 1951 Buick or even a 1928 Model A Ford. Basically a fighter is a flying vehicle suited for air to air combat or ground attack, basically a very mobile platform designed to carry missiles and/or bombs to hit the enemy.

I'd like to know what a 5th generation fighter can do what a 2nd, 3rd or even 4th generation cannot do? It sometimes comes down to where if one guy jumps another and fires first. You're just as dead if you got shot by an F-100 as by an F-22 as true if you take a .30-40 Krag or an M-16. We also have the economic realities too. Can we afford all the F-22's we need? If I was king, I'd say, build them all and then some. However, we are broke as a nation although if it was up to me, I'd cut welfare way down to pay for some of this. Still the economic realities are there and we might have to make older stuff work harder and longer as part of our plan. We do have a conundrum here I'd admit, we can't afford to but we cannot afford not to.
14 posted on 12/06/2009 3:52:38 PM PST by Nowhere Man (The night they drove old America down (11-07-2009))
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Of course it’s the best... that’s why 0bambi’s white house killed it


15 posted on 12/06/2009 4:25:47 PM PST by sten
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14 posts and no F/A-18 HUD shot yet. You're slipping.

Some of the F-15C fleet is getting upgraded with AESA radar and AIM-9X missiles. They are informally referred to as "Golden Eagles" and will be around for a very long time.

16 posted on 12/06/2009 4:26:36 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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Exclusive: White House aides insisted F-22 be removed from Obama speech venue

When President Obama spoke to troops at Alaska's Elmendorf Air Force Base last month, the unit there parked a shiny new F-22 fighter plane in the hangar. But according to multiple sources, White House aides demanded the plane be changed to an older F-15 fighter because they didn't want Obama speaking in front of the F-22, a controversial program he fought hard to end.

"White House aides actually made them remove the F-22-said they would not allow POTUS to be pictured with the F-22 in any way, shape, or form," one source close to the unit relayed.

Stephen Lee, a public affairs officer at Elmendorf, confirmed to The Cable that the F-22 was parked in the hangar and then was replaced by an F-15 at the White House's behest.

The airmen there took offense to the Obama aides' demand, sources told The Cable, seeing it as a slight to the folks who are operating the F-22 proudly every day. They also expressed bewilderment that the White House staff would even care so much as to make an issue out of the fact that the F-22 was placed in the hangar with the president.

A White House official, commenting on background basis, told The Cable that yes, there were discussions about which plane or planes would be in the hangar, but that they were not meant as an insult to the pilots and other personnel who work on the F-22. The official couldn't elaborate on why the White House aides felt it necessary to get involved in the matter in the first place.

The official pointed to Obama's speech to the troops that day, where he praised both the 90th Fighter Squadron, known as the "Dicemen," and the 525th Fighter Squadron, the "Bulldogs," both of which operate the F-22.

Even so, the Air Force personnel thought it odd the White House wanted to display the older plane rather than the more advanced plane that, in the eyes of its supporters, represents the latest and greatest in American aviation.

The Obama administration fought hard and successfully to cut off production of the F-22 at 187 planes, a number Defense Secretary Robert Gates endorsed but that was hundreds less than originally planned and about half of the 381 planes Air Force leadership lobbied hard for in the years preceding Obama's inauguration.

"It's one thing to be against further production; quite another to slight the folks who are flying them in the operational world," one source said, adding that "the F-15 pictured was put into service roughly around the same period when Obama graduated from college. It's vintage."

Josh Rogin

17 posted on 12/06/2009 4:35:01 PM PST by mcmuffin (Will American patriots and freedom prevail?)
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“The IJN decided to stay the course with Zeroes instead and their a$$e$ were whooped by the USN.”

The IJN decided not to deploy its secret jet aircraft and missiles, saving them for the expected US invasion flee, and their a$$e$ were whooped by the USN.


18 posted on 12/06/2009 4:35:42 PM PST by PIF
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To: Yo-Yo

Unlike you I have a life and am not glued to FR 24/7.


19 posted on 12/06/2009 5:45:42 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: myknowledge
Its key feature is its stealth quality, which allows it to run undetected by enemy radar.

Unadulterated bull s***. The "author" of this piece of crap article ought to take a look at some emissions and susceptibility data. Once he does that then he can travel to Cherry Point and Whidbey Island and take a look at the reams of ATOs requiring SEAD support for these platforms that "run undetected by enemy radar."

John Tsucalas is an idiot.

20 posted on 12/06/2009 5:53:48 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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