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One of the game's most historic deals (Roy Halladay/Cliff Lee blockbuster)
ESPN ^ | 12/15/2009 | Jayson Stark

Posted on 12/16/2009 12:23:06 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

It isn't just a trade. It's a foray into the history books.

How often in life do you ever see a trade like this -- two Cy Youngs in their prime changing teams in, essentially, the same deal? When you get right down to it, it's Roy Halladay for Cliff Lee, with a supporting cast that looks like the roster for the Futures Game.

You just don't see trades like this one, ladies and gentlemen. It isn't exactly Wes Littleton for Beau Vaughan, now is it?

"I can remember a lot of blockbuster trades, and this is definitely a blockbuster," said one longtime baseball executive Tuesday, as the shock waves from the mind-blowing four-team, nine-player Lee/Halladay mega-whopper began rippling through his sport. "I can remember big trades in the past. But it's been awhile since we've seen anything like this."

A while? Sheez, you could make a case we've never seen a trade like this.

We spent part of our day perusing pretty much every trade in history that involved a Cy Young Award winner. We couldn't find any deal that resembled this deal. And that's because no Cy Young winner has ever been traded for another Cy Young winner. Ever.

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: bluejays; mariners; phillies; royhalladay
Hard to believe this hasn't been mentioned yet. I don't think I've ever seen a bigger MLB trade in my time...
1 posted on 12/16/2009 12:23:09 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Hell of a trade. Good move for the Phils and the Mariners. The Phils have been stacked for a couple of years now, and Halladay is an upgrade on Lee. They’re a powerhouse from top to bottom. The Mets are toast.

Drabek looks like a good guy for the Jays, but he can’t replace Halladay. Don’t know much about Wallace or the catcher.

SnakeDoc


2 posted on 12/16/2009 12:33:03 PM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

If I was Philly I would keep Lee - along with Halladay that is the best 1-2 rotation currently in baseball, and the best since at least Johnson/Schilling. Maybe since Drysdale/Kofax? With the Phil’s offense they could probably win as many as what, maybe 5 World Series over the next 7 or 8 years? I mean REALLY dominant. That is worth emptying the farm for, a generational opportunity to dominate. You win World Series, the money looks after itself.

Given Seattle’s involvement, I’m surprised Phillippe Aumont didn’t end up going to the Jays. Aumont is Canadian, and has sick stuff. I saw him in the WBC playing for Canada, looks like a can’t miss. Kind of like the second coming of Eric Gagne.


3 posted on 12/16/2009 12:40:45 PM PST by lowtaxsmallgov (Low Taxes, Small Government - we can do it!)
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To: SnakeDoctor
As an Indians fan, I sure hope the hotdogs that Mark Shappiro got in the trade for Cliff Lee tasted good.

It was another "historic trade". Never has a GM got in return so little for the caliber of player he traded away. It was tough to do worse than he did in the Sabathia deal but he stepped up and outdid himself with the Lee deal.
4 posted on 12/16/2009 12:41:02 PM PST by j_k_l
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To: j_k_l

I don’t even remember who the Indians got for Lee — certainly not anything close to what the Jays got for Halladay, or what the Phils got for Lee.

But — I’m an Astros fan. We’ll be happy if Oswalt remembers how to pitch, and Berkman finds his swing again.

SnakeDoc


5 posted on 12/16/2009 12:44:23 PM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Halladay is less of an upgrade on Lee than you might think. What was Lee in the World Series, 2-0? Halladay would not be able to improve on that - Philly lost in spite of Lee, not because of Lee. Replacing Lee with Halladay does not get the Phils any closer to knocking out the Evil Empire. To be #1, Philly needs Doc AND Lee.

Unfotunate that the Phils didn’t think knocking out DeathStar1 was that important.


6 posted on 12/16/2009 12:47:27 PM PST by lowtaxsmallgov (Low Taxes, Small Government - we can do it!)
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To: lowtaxsmallgov
Aumont is Canadian

So is Gilles. Who also is a heck of a story. The kid runs sprints in and out from left field. Hustles every where. He's also deaf.

We watched him last year in Spring training and every one in the park said he stole the show that day from Griffey. I hope the kid gets a chance soon in Philly.

7 posted on 12/16/2009 12:47:43 PM PST by llevrok (Love and mental illness are similar. At first, all seems normal.)
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To: lowtaxsmallgov

4-years of Halladay is a substantial improvement on 1-year of Lee. The Phils will have Halladay until 2014. Lee would’ve been a free agent next year, and they very well may have lost a bidding war to keep him.

SnakeDoc


8 posted on 12/16/2009 12:53:19 PM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Exactly right. And Halladay kept his demands reasonable for the opportunity to play with the Phillies, who train 15 minutes from his full-time home in Florida.

The trade wasn’t about improving on Lee’s playoff performance, which was extraordinary. It was about getting a long-term ace and replenishing the farm. As much as I would have loved to see Halladay and Lee together, I think the Phils did really, really well in this deal.


9 posted on 12/16/2009 12:58:42 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: llevrok

I suppose if the Jays want to help the Mariners dump Canadian talent they can always sign Erik Bedard, apparently he’s looking for work.


10 posted on 12/16/2009 12:58:46 PM PST by lowtaxsmallgov (Low Taxes, Small Government - we can do it!)
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To: lowtaxsmallgov
Aumont is Canadian, and has sick stuff.

Does sick mean good or bad?

11 posted on 12/16/2009 1:10:32 PM PST by Isabel C.
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To: Isabel C.

In pitching, “sick” is good.

“Nasty” is really good.

“Filthy” is ridiculously good.

Phillippe Aumont’s stuff is sick now. In a few years, his junk could be really filthy.

It’s a lot of fun once you get the hang of it. :)


12 posted on 12/16/2009 1:22:30 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: lowtaxsmallgov

I grew up in Vancouver<BC idolizing the M’s..even until now.

I went to Seattle just to watch Griff and the Refuse to Lose’ gang kill the Yanks in the 90’s. Nowadays, the new GM Jack Z is a superior upgrade to the last GM Bavasi, and truly amazed how he got Chone Figgins from the Angels and now, Cliff Lee to Seattle. Good times. I’ll pay top $$ when they head here to Socal..


13 posted on 12/16/2009 2:02:46 PM PST by max americana (i)
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To: lowtaxsmallgov
they can always sign Erik Bedard, apparently he’s looking for work.

Well he hasn't played baseball (ahem) since arriving in Seattle....

14 posted on 12/16/2009 2:17:45 PM PST by llevrok (Love and mental illness are similar. At first, all seems normal.)
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To: lowtaxsmallgov
The way things were going for the Phils prior to their acquiring Cliff Lee, they wouldn't have made the WS. Lee's presences in the rotation allowed the Phils bullpen to right itself for the playoff run. In the end it wasn't enough against the Yankees, but at least they got there.

I'm sorry to see Cliff Lee go, but I suppose even a major-market team like Philadelphia can't afford 2 pitchers of that stature.

15 posted on 12/16/2009 3:08:21 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Tallguy
Philadelphia can't afford 2 pitchers of that stature.

The Mariner fans are salivating over the idea of having King Felix and Cliff Lee at the top of their rotation. With Figgins in the fold, the Mariners have Ichiro and Figgins at the top of their batting lineup and are now searching for that 3 or 4 hitter to bring them in. Good times in Seattle with Jackie Z running the show.
16 posted on 12/17/2009 8:46:33 AM PST by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: SnakeDoctor
"I don’t even remember who the Indians got for Lee..."

That's okay. Mark Shapiro who traded him would have to google search it to tell you what he got in return for Lee.
17 posted on 12/18/2009 3:38:43 AM PST by j_k_l
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