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Photobucket deleting images? - Terms of use? (Vanity)
photobucket.com ^ | Tuesday, January 12, 2010 | paulycy

Posted on 01/12/2010 6:49:58 AM PST by paulycy

Has anyone else noticed photobucket.com deleting more and more photos for "terms of use" violations that don't seem appropriate?

Has anybody had success in contacting photobucket and inquiring about or challenging an image deletion?

Although I understand that photobucket.com is a private enterprise and is legally entitled to enforce terms of use violations it seems that they are using this "terms of use" excuse to delete merely politically inconvenient images in increasing numbers.

The latest deletion was the blue-tinged actual output of the new airport security scan. Even though IANAL I know enough to know there is no way that "terms of use" can be used to delete this image when used here on FR for news commentary. It should also fall under "fair use."

It also seems that they are indiscriminately searching for certain words like "hitler." They deleted a copy of hitler's CAR apparently because I had "hitler mercedes benz.jpg" in the title.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet; Conspiracy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: censorship; delete; image; photobucket
Please add your comments on this or other photobucket concerns. I know there are a lot of photobucket FReepers. Thank you.


1 posted on 01/12/2010 6:49:59 AM PST by paulycy
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To: paulycy

I know they don’t like my Obama as a klansman photo very much. LOL


2 posted on 01/12/2010 6:51:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: paulycy

ping


3 posted on 01/12/2010 6:54:11 AM PST by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: cripplecreek
I know they don’t like my Obama as a klansman photo very much. LOL

LOL! Yes, I understand why I might have a couple of my more, uh, "edgy" 0bama photos might get yanked but the ones I'm talking about shouldn't be subject to terms of use violations without some sort of explanation.

I guess what I really want is 1) FReepers input on this 2) A way to challenge photobucket's deletions.

4 posted on 01/12/2010 6:54:19 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' Racial DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: paulycy

They have done that to plenty of my images. I can’t remember what the image ws once they remove it.


5 posted on 01/12/2010 6:55:45 AM PST by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: paulycy

http://tinypic.com/


6 posted on 01/12/2010 6:57:27 AM PST by jessduntno (We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation..." - B. Hussein Obama)
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To: passionfruit
They have done that to plenty of my images. I can’t remember what the image ws once they remove it.

The way I do it is to copy the URL address - which is left over after the deletion - then paste it into the address bar to see what the filename was. Then I can look it up in my own archives.

7 posted on 01/12/2010 6:57:55 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' Racial DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: paulycy

Really, if you have internet access through a home account, you don’t need a third-party photo host. As part of a standard internet package from an ISP, you get so many MB of server space for your own content. Figure out the process, and you can upload your images to your own ISP’s servers, beyond Photobucket’s control.


8 posted on 01/12/2010 7:08:14 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: jessduntno

I had some yanked from tinypic too. The sad part was that they were photos of classical nude statues.


9 posted on 01/12/2010 7:11:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: paulycy

I have had photos deleted, changed the name of the file to something else and re posted it and no problem


10 posted on 01/12/2010 7:11:46 AM PST by edzo4 (NoBama 2012)
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To: Oberon
Figure out the process, and you can upload your images to your own ISP’s servers, beyond Photobucket’s control.

That is a good suggestion. In this case I opted to pay $25 per year for unlimited bandwidth access to my photos (a lot of people seem to link to them) and all I want is full access to my rights as a contract-holding and paying customer to not have my images arbitrarily deleted without so much as an explanation. They are a private company but they took my money, gave me a contract, and I want a method to appeal a decision.

But first I thought I'd get the advice of wise FReepers so I don't do something stupid or pointless (something I'm prone to... ;0)

11 posted on 01/12/2010 7:13:00 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' Racial DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: edzo4
I have had photos deleted, changed the name of the file to something else and re posted it and no problem

I've done that too, especially with marginal images, but this is, to me, becoming too commonplace and arbitrary to deal with on a daily basis.

I don't want to have to have some sort of PC "code" to name the 15,000+ images on my hard drive just so that I can post them to photobucket without their robots zapping my stuff. That is unacceptable to me.

And I still respect their right to have standards, such as nudity, I just want the standards to be reasonable and fairly administered. Using the word "hitler" to describe a car should not result in banning.

12 posted on 01/12/2010 7:16:30 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' Racial DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: paulycy
You know, you can fight that fight, and may ultimately win, but in the meantime it will cost you considerable time and possibly some money, and during this process your photos won't be on the 'net.

I suggest a dual approach, then. Put your photos on your own ISP's server so they're available on the web, and take up the matter with Photobucket.

14 posted on 01/12/2010 7:19:39 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: paulycy

Content/Activity Prohibited. You must use the Photobucket Services in a manner consistent with any and all applicable laws and regulations. The following are examples of the kind of Content that is illegal or prohibited to post on or through the Photobucket Services. Photobucket reserves the right to investigate and take appropriate legal action against anyone who, in Photobucket’s sole discretion, violates this provision, including without limitation, removing the offending Content from the Photobucket Services and terminating the Membership of such violators. Prohibited Content includes, but is not limited to, Content that, in the sole discretion of Photobucket:

8.1 is patently offensive or promotes racism, bigotry, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual;

8.2 harasses or advocates harassment of another person;

8.3 exploits people in a sexual or violent manner;

8.4 contains nudity, excessive violence, or offensive subject matter or contains a link to an adult website;

8.5 solicits personal information from anyone under 18;

8.6 publicly posts information that poses or creates a privacy or security risk to any person;

8.7 constitutes or promotes information that you know is false or misleading or promotes illegal activities or conduct that is abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory or libelous;

8.8 constitutes or promotes an illegal or unauthorized copy of another person’s copyrighted work;

8.9 involves the transmission of “junk mail,” “chain letters,” or unsolicited mass mailing, instant messaging, “spimming,” or “spamming”;

8.10 contains restricted or password only access pages or hidden pages or images (those not linked to or from another accessible page);

8.11 furthers or promotes any criminal activity or enterprise or provides instructional information about illegal activities including, but not limited to making or buying illegal weapons, violating someone’s privacy, or providing or creating computer viruses;

8.12 solicits passwords or personal identifying information for commercial or unlawful purposes from other Users;

8.13 involves commercial activities and/or sales without prior written consent from Photobucket such as contests, sweepstakes, barter, advertising, or pyramid schemes;

8.14 includes a photograph or video of another person that you have posted without that person’s consent; or

8.15 violates the privacy rights, publicity rights, defamation rights, copyrights, trademark rights, contract rights or any other rights of any person.

The following are examples of the kind of activity that is illegal or prohibited on the Site and through the use of the Photobucket Services. Photobucket reserves the right to investigate and take appropriate legal action against anyone who, in Photobucket’s sole discretion, violates this provision, including without limitation, reporting you to law enforcement authorities. Prohibited activity includes, but is not limited to:

8.16 criminal or tortious activity, including child pornography or erotica, fraud, trafficking in obscene material, drug dealing, gambling, harassment, stalking, spamming, spimming, “pyramid scemes,” Ponzi schemes, sending of viruses or other harmful files, copyright infringement, patent infringement, or theft of trade secrets;

8.17 advertising to, or solicitation of, any User to buy or sell any products or services through the unauthorized or impermissible use of the Photobucket Services. You may not transmit any chain letters or junk email to other Users.

8.18 circumventing or modifying, attempting to circumvent or modify, or encouraging or assisting any other person in circumventing or modifying any security technology or software that is part of the Photobucket Services

8.19 Forging any TCP/IP packet header or any part of the header information in any posting, or in any way use the Site or Photobucket Services to send altered, deceptive, or false source-identifying information;

8.20 activity that involves the use of viruses, bots, worms, or any other computer code, files or programs that interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware, or otherwise permit the unauthorized use of or access to a computer or a computer network;

8.21 interfering with the access of any User, host or network to the Site;

8.22 covering or obscuring the banner advertisements on your personal profile page, or any Photobucket page via HTML/CSS or any other means;

8.23 including any HTML, CSS or other coding on your personal profile page, including, without limitation, any hidden or otherwise surreptitiously contained code in the Content which is unrelated to the immediate aesthetic nature of the Content;

8.24 any automated use of the system, such as, but not limited to, using scripts to send images or videos;

8.25 interfering with, disrupting, or creating an undue burden on the Photobucket Services or the networks or services connected to the Photobucket Services;

8.26 impersonating or attempting to impersonate another User, person or entity;

8.27 using the account, username, or password of another Member at any time or disclosing your password to any third party or permitting any third party to access your account;

8.28 selling or otherwise transferring your profile;

8.29 using any information obtained from the Photobucket Services in order to harass, abuse, or harm another person or entity, or attempting to do the same;

8.30 displaying an unauthorized commercial advertisement on your profile, or accepting payment or anything of value from a third person in exchange for your performing any commercial activity through the unauthorized or impermissible use of the Photobucket Services on behalf of that person or

8.31 deleting, or in any manner altering, the copyright, trademark, or other proprietary rights notices appearing on any Content except your own Content;

8.32 using any meta tags or other hidden text or metadata utilizing a Photobucket name, trademark, URL or product name without Photobucket’s express written consent;

8.33 attempting to probe, scan or test the vulnerability of any Photobucket Service or breach any security or authentication measures;

8.34 collecting or store personal data about other users without their express permission;

8.35 impersonating or misrepresenting your affiliation with any person or entity, through pretexting or any other form of social engineering, or otherwise commiting fraud; or

8.36 using the Photobucket Services in a manner inconsistent with any and all applicable laws and regulations.


15 posted on 01/12/2010 7:20:25 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: paulycy

I store my online photos on PBase.com. There’s also flickr.com.


16 posted on 01/12/2010 7:25:35 AM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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To: JoeProBono

This listing is why I am complaining. Having read it before I maintain that the images deleted do NOT fall under any of these categories.

Therefore I wish to appeal. So far I can’t find an official route or procedure to do so.


17 posted on 01/12/2010 7:27:22 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' Racial DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: JoeProBono

It might be easier if they’d just list what is permitted!


18 posted on 01/12/2010 7:28:10 AM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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To: paulycy

They deleted my photos of Fatah ala Mussafar.


19 posted on 01/12/2010 7:28:30 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: paulycy
I have some interesting photos there as well. As someone already mentioned, I dont name them or anything else.
But maybe not after this post. I will check tonight.... ■
20 posted on 01/12/2010 7:29:32 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Oberon
it will cost you considerable time and possibly some money

What you say is true. In real life I lack the resources to fight this in any significant way. But certainly it is worth a bit of research and communication to exert some influence on them. That's what I'm doing here.

21 posted on 01/12/2010 7:30:20 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' Racial DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: JoeProBono
“8.7 constitutes or promotes information that you know is false or misleading...”

Does that mean you can't post anything that denies Global Warming or denies Obama’s status as a natural born citizen, since “Everybody” knows that would be false or misleading?

22 posted on 01/12/2010 7:37:41 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: paulycy

In this case, “winning” might end up with Photobucket refunding your money and closing your account.


23 posted on 01/12/2010 7:38:01 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Oberon
In this case, “winning” might end up with Photobucket refunding your money and closing your account.

It would if I behave like an @__hole. I'll try to avoid that.

24 posted on 01/12/2010 7:39:44 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' Racial DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: paulycy

25 posted on 01/12/2010 7:50:34 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: paulycy
Unless you just want the satisfaction of winning, I would move on to another host. It's their site and it's good to be king. If you want to fight, re-naming the file is the best action. One remedy may be to spell words backward or substitute numbers for letters so you can figure it out, but the bots can't. Then you still have the possibility that someone will complain and they will figure out your naming system and still kick you off.

In a difficult economy, you may have the basis for a new business. Take everyone's pics, start your own site with a few terabytes of storage, sell some adds, and go golfing. Call it "free speech pics".

Of course some of the pics you get with fisters and other pervs will make you copy the photobucket rules and then you will be one of,...... "THEM". Then you will cull out the photo's making fun of Bush or Palin and you will have to change your name.

26 posted on 01/12/2010 8:02:32 AM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles
Unless you just want the satisfaction of winning, I would move on to another host.

As a paying customer I have an expectation of satisfactory service. You advocate me surrendering without firing a shot.

I'm not losing sleep over this so I have time to handle it in my own way. Their position is not right so I have a solid position.

Even privately owned corporations have a responsibility to be responsive to their customers needs and to satisfactorily explain their policies if they want to avoid bad publicity and stay in business.

If we move on to another, then another, then another we run out of services and all the prior services succeeded in eliminating yet another consumer check-and-balance.

This sure doesn't rise to the level of 0bama instituting anti-constitutional power structure but it is worth my time to explore my options and the dissatisfaction of other photobucket customers.

So, unconditionally surrender on your own time, FRiend.

27 posted on 01/12/2010 8:10:54 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' Racial DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: paulycy

I suspect that “abuse” is being called by Democrats who will even make false allegations of such to get right wing web content deleted.

Michelle Malkin saw her own Youtube content moved to “adults only” and deleted as “racist” on numerous occasions.


28 posted on 01/12/2010 8:16:59 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Al Gore was more concerned with the evil influence of heavy metal than that of radical Imam.)
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To: a fool in paradise
I suspect that “abuse” is being called by Democrats who will even make false allegations of such to get right wing web content deleted.

That's what I suspect, too. That is one reason that I would like to see some review mechanism available to at least learn *why* the image was deleted.

"Terms of use" is unacceptably vague. Unfair accusations winning the day is unacceptable. Photobucket is an apparently well run, thriving company owned in part by News Corp (parent of Fox News) and seems a likely company to start questioning about this before default false-accusation censorship becomes a daily fact of life.

29 posted on 01/12/2010 8:20:52 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' Racial DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: paulycy

It should also require a user to be “registered” before reporting images/youtube content. That way persons who are malicious (and fraudulent) in their reporting can find their accounts banned.

If they are only registering to delete content, then they probably don’t have good intentions.


30 posted on 01/12/2010 8:24:05 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Al Gore was more concerned with the evil influence of heavy metal than that of radical Imam.)
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To: paulycy

This type of censorship doesn’t come from the top down on the web but it is found on just about every site.

Even the “top rated” (and low rated) news items on Yahoo are spammed by liberals. They actively work to supress some news items (examples would be pieces on climategate, prolife photos, etc) by rating them high or low.

The reach is so far that to mount a comparable FReep to “right the wrongs” would require full time effort. Effort that could be spent much better doing something productive rather than trying to challenge the Pravda Media’s lies (lies by omission are lies too).


31 posted on 01/12/2010 8:27:36 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Al Gore was more concerned with the evil influence of heavy metal than that of radical Imam.)
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To: a fool in paradise
This type of censorship doesn’t come from the top down on the web but it is found on just about every site.

You are right that to FReep some sort of response wouldn't work but developing a relationship with a company providing such services would help in spreading the word that this is going on and help develop defenses and maybe even better corporate policies regarding the kind of false-abuse spam we're experiencing.

Talking about this in the open is very helpful, IMO.

32 posted on 01/12/2010 8:34:36 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' Racial DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: paulycy

Another thing to consider. While conservatives can register an owned website, it would not offer some of the protections you might think.

Expect to see copyright violations against appropriated images.

Expect to see harassment if you should happen to create the next “Obama joker” image. Your identity may not be “secure” from the Left.

Expect some Party faithful to abuse the powers of their office to pull a witchhunt on you as they did on “Joe the Plumber” (and there was a hunt for the identity of the man who created the Obama Joker image, not just the guy posting it up).


33 posted on 01/12/2010 8:43:59 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Al Gore was more concerned with the evil influence of heavy metal than that of radical Imam.)
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To: a fool in paradise
While conservatives can register an owned website, it would not offer some of the protections you might think.

You offer good insight. Certain things act as the proverbial "canary in the coal mine" to indicate just how bad things are getting. Maybe, in a small way, this photobucket thing is one of those "canaries" giving us some evidence that the fascists are truly clamping down on free communications. They include not just officials but every koolaid drinker out there with access to a computer and willing to lie to enslave their fellow man.

34 posted on 01/12/2010 8:49:00 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' Racial DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: paulycy

The canary in the coalmine was 2000 when DNC brownshirts vandalized thousands of campaign signs with swastikas, keyed cars, slashed the tires of GOP get out the vote vehicles on election day, pulled the power on a campaign office, threw bricks through the windows of campaign offices, stole computers from campaign offices, threatened to beat up Bush voters, etc.

The media ignored the story treating each incident as an isolated cases of mischevious vandalism.

It only got worse in 2004.

Palin was lynched in effigy in California at Halloween (on the eve of the election).

It’s only going to get worse. The DNC Brownshirts are here.

Code Pink stood up during John McCain’s GOP nomination acceptance speech and interrupted the TV broadcast.

None of these get much coverage.

Domestic Democrat terrorists plotted to kidnap delegates at the 2008 GOP convention and plotted to firebomb the convention. The perps were arrested and convicted prior to the election but again there was a media blackout. Odd that they gave a whole lot more ink to the Ron Paulian who scarred her own face and claimed that it was done by an Obama supporter. The cases were both contemporary news items (same week).


35 posted on 01/12/2010 8:57:24 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Al Gore was more concerned with the evil influence of heavy metal than that of radical Imam.)
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To: paulycy
....."You advocate me surrendering without firing a shot."....

No I didn't advocate anything, but made a suggestion on how to get past losing sleep and eventually losing the battle. You sound like one of the people we see on the morning news that takes a shotgun to a place to even a score with the boss.

As a conservative, most of us realize that someone that spends the time and money to own their own business is free to make whatever rules they want. We don't have to remain customers of said business, but to force them to do what you want will just bring more frustrations on you. Sometimes you can beat them by being clever, but why worry about it? If I had a pic of Hitlers car, why not name it "so and so Mercedes"? It's obvious the bots hit on "Hitler". If you need to find it to post, you already know that that year was Hitlers car. To force PhotoBucket to accept "Hitler" in the title would bring in pics of the Klan and Skinheads that they obviously don't want to host.

Go to your local restaurant and walk in with no shoes and shirt. You will find out they they really don't have to serve everybody. Call the cops, file a law suit, do what you want and you will still be hungry.

36 posted on 01/12/2010 11:31:21 PM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles
You sound like one of the people we see on the morning news that takes a shotgun to a place to even a score with the boss.

Wow. You have some serious projection issues, chuckles.

37 posted on 01/13/2010 1:05:51 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: paulycy
Just readin what you wrote. You brought up firing shots.
38 posted on 01/13/2010 1:43:49 AM PST by chuckles
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