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Crusaders and Jerusalem
01/17/10 | Ryde

Posted on 01/17/2010 6:52:18 PM PST by Ryde

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To: Captain Kirk
They didn't all get killed, many "converted" rather than die but their families remembered their real faith; others who "left" rather than "convert" returned and still others emigrated.

Not everyone who now lives anywhere has spent generations in the same place.

21 posted on 01/17/2010 7:56:38 PM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: zerosix
The Muslims first gained possession of Jerusalem in 637, when the Patriarch Sophronius surrendered the city on terms to the caliph Umar--the Christians were not slaughtered or forced to convert. The caliph visited Jerusalem but refused to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre lest his followers insist on turning it into a mosque.

Christians continued to be able to visit the holy places...I believe the first problems were centuries later with certain fanatical Muslim leaders who caused problems for Christian pilgrims. Then the Byzantines were defeated by the Turks at Manzikert in 1071 and the Byzantine emperor looked to the West for help. Pope Urban II made the recovery of Jerusalem rather than aiding the Byzantine emperor the main goal.

22 posted on 01/17/2010 8:11:38 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Ryde
One of the worse city sieges was when the Mongols sacked Baghdad.
23 posted on 01/17/2010 8:31:47 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: All

Thank you, this was a very interesting exchange. So much for my applying logic to military matters!


24 posted on 01/18/2010 7:02:01 AM PST by Ryde (Post-modernism: good only for those who sleep in soft beds.)
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To: TWfromTEXAS

The record is a bit confused but there is no indication that every Jew and Muslim was killed.

“There the Saracens assembled and resisted fiercely all day, so that the whole temple flowed with their blood. At last the pagans were overcome and our men seized many men and women in the temple, killing them or keeping them alive as they saw fit. On the roof of the temple there was a great crowd of pagans of both sexes, to whom Tancred and Gaston de Beert gave their banners [to provide them with protection] .


25 posted on 01/18/2010 7:53:04 AM PST by pacific_waters
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To: Verginius Rufus
Let's not forget either that Muslims sacked Rome and looted the Basilicas of Saint Peter and St Paul two and a half centuries before the first crusade was launched. Couple years later, Muslims returned and were turned back by a Christian fleet at the battle of Ostia.

The prisoners taken in that battle were forced to help build the Leonine Walls which stand around the Vatican today.

26 posted on 01/18/2010 8:10:31 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: zerosix

I was merely commenting on an absolute statement which was simply not true, the millions of Christians in the Islamic world (many practicing in ancient churches) still attest to that.


27 posted on 01/18/2010 8:32:28 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Berosus; Fred Nerks
Ping!
28 posted on 01/18/2010 8:32:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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