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To: Lee'sGhost
Lost in this discussion is the premise from the article posted above: America faces a crossroads very similar to those prior to Fort Sumter. More government, less nationalism, maybe socialism, which way do we go?

No, the crossroad then was expansion of slavery or not. Whether the government had the right to establish laws in the territories as the Constitution said or not. Whether states rights extended to all states or just the Southern states. There is no similarity between the two, unless you want to say it was a choice between big government under Lincoln vs. bigger, more intrusive government under Davis.

Yes, America is at a crossroads. We do have to choose which path we will take, lower spending or higher spending. Smaller government or more government. Global expansion or domestic priorities. Today's hyper-partisan Washington and the boobs we elect to Congress - on both sides of the aisle - seem unwilling to tackle the issues that need to be tackled and make the hard decisions. There is absolutely no doubt about that. But dusting off the Lost Cause and pretending that it was actually something that it wasn't is ridiculous. The South didn't rebel against the government in Washington, it WAS the government in Washington. For decades prior to the rebellion the South had held a disproportionate level of influence at all levels in D.C. from the number of residents in the White House to the number of clerks in the cabinet departments. If government had grown out of control in 1860 it was because the Southern leadership had let it. So the idea that the rebels were motivated by fear of Washington control is ridiculous in the extreme.

If this nation is to fall and split into two or more countries, and I pray that it does not, then looking to the socialists in 1863 Richmond as an example is absolutely the wrong thing to do. All you need do is look about 85 years earlier than that for all the examples that you need. John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and James Monroe should be our guides, not Jefferson Davis, Alexander Stephens, Robert Lee or Thomas Jackson.

The South lost. For that I am eternally grateful. Their cause was wrong and their premise was flawed from the beginning. They did not flee big government, they left for the right to keep their fellow humans in bondage. And all the Southron revisionism and papering over the facts that you care to produce will not change that. Their cause was not the cause of today. Southern leaders in Congress today are the problem rather than the solution. Direction and inspiration for any future conflict will not come from the memories of the Southern rebellion but from respect and guidance from the American rebellion.

54 posted on 02/06/2010 7:38:32 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Southern leaders in Congress today are the problem rather than the solution.

Once again you've shown us who you really are: a big government communist.

It's well know that you hate all things about the South. Your hatred is sick and sickening to the rest of us.

It's unfortunate that you and your beloved northern leaders (Kerry, Schumer, Dodd, Frank, Weiner, Biden, Obama, Clinton, et al) can't go off and create the communist heaven that you dream of.

64 posted on 02/07/2010 7:25:20 AM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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