I posted this in response:
"It is obvious that you didn’t look at my links.
For instance, you don’t note that I provided e-mails showing that the DOH would not even say which rules they were following during all that time -much less have them published. You look at it now and say, “The rules are there now so they were there all the time”, when I’ve shown the hassle a lot of us went through to get them there.
The proof that you didn’t even look at my links is your calling me a “him” when my e-mails have my name on them: Nellie.
If you can’t get even the basic facts straight – and you did the same thing with every point of mine, not just the first one – then it’s clear you’re not willing to do this issue justice.
I will approve your pingback in the hopes that as people see what I’ve actually got there, they will see that you are being blatantly dishonest – and in their heart of hearts they will wonder why.
Instead of waxing philosophical about the pathology of “conspiracy theorists”, some basic honesty about documented facts would be nice."
Any ideas on what else I can do to inform the people who will blindly follow whatever inaccurate assessment this guy gives?
You can't because it's deliberate.
Good job, flak, target etc.
You took his bait.
Here is the 1st lie exposed that they have refused to debate with me:
Go after them with the truth, keep it to the point and target the lie, not the writer of the lie. It gets them every time.
Thanks for your good work. The Hawaii DOH and other parts of the bureaucracy has been involved in faking birth places on their certifications for a long time, for reasons of political and bureaucratic convenience.
Basically, more federal welfare money and more Democrat votes.
So Obama’s documentation is probably entangled in that, and is only the tip of an enormous iceberg that they’d prefer not to let see the light of day.
Yeeehaaaw! You know you’ve got them on the ropes when they feel like they need to address your post, and then willfully ignore your links in the hopes that no one else will follow them! LOL!
Good job!
Cheers
So if I understand this right, and I’m not sure I do...
A request is made for a birth certificate.
The response is, we are not able to release it due to administrative rules.
A request is then made for a copy of the rules.
A response comes saying that according to the administrative rules, the administrative rules cannot be released.
And then, Yosarian climbed the tree naked.
Then weeks later the rules turn up and sure enough, they say the birth certificate can’t be released.
In Obama world, this is becoming more and more common.
Perhaps the amendment was to remove his father's name, so as to avoid the need to have renounced UK/Kenyan citizenship despite a Hawaiian birth? Who knows, but I think the focus should be on how he's keeping it secret, not on what is there.
The hospital refuses to admit he was born there. Other than hiding behind the HIPAA rules that they cited, why wouldn’t any hospital WANT to claim a future President was born there?
Don’t get upset with me, but what is the endgame for this birth certificate hunt? He’s not going to leave office or be forced out. Remember, the Democrats still hold large majorities in the Congress. Does anyone remember Bill Clinton, who was not convicted in an impeachment trial?
I think this movement’s energies would be better spent to try to get laws passed in the states that in order for people to get on Federal ballots, they have to show proof of citizenship in the case of Senator and Congressional candidates and have to show proof of natural born citizenship in the case of the Presidency. If even one or two states passed this law, it would force Obama to prove his natural born citizenship before re-running for re-election. If he did not and was not on the ballots in those one or two states, then you would have a real scandal brewing. Mainstream America would start really asking questions then.
IMO, this is a fruitless endeavor to try to drag the birth certificate records out of Hawaii. It’s not going to happen and this idea will be relegated to fringe status. Don’t make this issue about Obama, make it about adherence to the Constitution for everyone who wants to run for President.
Has anyone erected the historical place name plates at his place of birth and first residence? This is common for presidents. Also, people in the town usually come forward and talk about his mother’s pregnancy and birth. Can some one link us to those exciting stories as told by the actual witnesses? It’s important to capture these people on video before they die of old age.
Once again, I ask what does paperless mean? The term "paperless" means nothing, zero, nada. The original paper vault BCs are still there otherwise, there would be front page headlines with color photos of all the original records being burned in a huge bonfire in front of the courthouse and the state department. Can you imagine the uproar from the citizens of Hawaii.
They are the same people in both places with the same deliberate obfuscation. If you think that you are going to persuade them, get that out of your head. They are idealogs, emphasis on the “logs”.
I think Pilsner doesn’t like me very much.
Why do you think that out of all the detailed arguments on this thread, I was the one who flipped him over the edge?
He was ‘yelling’ at me by name. I am flattered that he mentioned my handle by name twice in his posts. I’ve never had that happen before. Pretty cool. I’m sure JR noticed it.
I can only guess that instead of arguing specific details, I was arguing broader, more simple concepts.
Clearly, something I said tweeked him.
He didn’t even yell at you, and its your thread. I’m just a bystander.
Anyway, thanks for the thread. It was a blast. Very funny.
Happy Vday everyone.