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New Hard Drives Could Spell Trouble for XP Users
switched. ^ | Mar 12th | Terrence O'Brien

Posted on 03/13/2010 10:18:10 PM PST by JoeProBono

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To: J Edgar
The real story here is the huge number of corporate XP computers that are being targeted by MS!

In my experience, corporate computers are leased for this reason -- to keep maintenance costs under control.

61 posted on 03/14/2010 3:53:25 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: SmokingJoe
How do you suppose Microsoft is going to keep selling XP netbooks and not put in a fix to allow XP users to benefit fully from the new hard drives?

Netbooks typically have a small 16GB solid state 'hard drive'. The article is talking about physical disk formats over 2TB.

62 posted on 03/14/2010 3:58:00 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith
Netbooks typically have a small 16GB solid state ‘hard drive’.

The very early ones did. Not any more.
Most have physical disk hard drives these days.

You can check yourself on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/1232596011/ref=pd_ts_pc_nav

63 posted on 03/14/2010 4:03:36 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: JoeProBono

This B.S. of “forced obsolescence” of electronic/technology products is getting VERY VERY OLD, and hopefully these greedy companies will soon have a MUTINY on their greedy hands from recalcitrant consumers who have had enough! Even if we were not in the midst of a severe economic crisis, many of us have wasted ENOUGH of our hard-earned dollars on these infernal machines and programs that promise everything and deliver very little. It’s bad enough that they’ve forced everyone to “upgrade” to digital TVs and they’re now scheming to force everyone onto broadband, but to deliberately make their software and hardware obsolete in order to get (FORCE) us to buy more of their cr*p is unconscionable. Believe it or not, some of us still are using “OBSOLETE” equipment & software that suits us fine—like Windows 95 or 98 or 2000; and WordPerfect (!! remember that??) and Adobe Acrobat 4.0, on and on and on. Manufacturers/developers: Please stop trying to force people to get onboard with your latest/greatest/flashiest/costliest cr*p. Many of us PREFER the older, simpler, trustier, safer versions of equipment and software. (And that goes for cars, washing machines, refrigerators and sewing machines, too!)


64 posted on 03/14/2010 4:58:27 AM PDT by Memoria
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To: Lancey Howard

You may be right about that.


65 posted on 03/14/2010 5:00:58 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: JoeProBono

From Microsoft (the Great Satan):

“To reduce backward compatibility issues, some manufacturers will produce hard disk drives that use a large physical sector size internally, but expose only a logical sector size of 512 bytes to the system. These hard disk drives are referred to as emulation devices because of the method that the drives use to write data. This method is frequently called “read-modify-write.” For writes that are smaller than a physical sector, the drive must read the physical sector, modify the small, changed part of the sector, and then write the whole physical sector. The main drawback of this kind of hard disk drive is decreased performance. The extra read operation that must occur for writes that are smaller than the physical sector may decrease performance. “

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923332

From Western Digital:

The good news is, Western Digital has already solved the problem. Those of you who want to use an AF (4kb sector) drive in Windows XP can either install a hardware jumper (if you plan to use a single, simple partition) or run a software tool called WDAlign.

http://hothardware.com/Articles/WDs-1TB-Caviar-Green-w-Advanced-Format-Windows-XP-Users-Pay-Attention/


66 posted on 03/14/2010 5:02:18 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: ChrisInAR

Do you periodically run a registry cleaner and/or spyware cleaners?

The registry can get clogged with a bunch of stuff that slows down the computer. Also, spyware can cause slowdowns.

Additionally, what anti-virus program are you running and do you have it running a bunch of real-time activities? That can slow your system. If so, turn off all that are unnecessary. [AV programs have a tendenc to become bloatware and glutware.]
67 posted on 03/14/2010 5:25:21 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: JoeProBono

My apprehension of going with a Win7 system is that some of my older (DOS and pre-WinXP) programs, which I MUST have, could no longer work.

I have an IE6 based tabbed browser that I use exclusively for FR because it has some editing add-ons that are no longer available and not compatible with later IE’s (IE7 is crap — I tried it and immediately uninstalled it; I haven’t tried IE8). I refuse to give UP my FR browser.

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Win7 Home does NOT allow the XP window. And why run Win7 Premium if I am going to have to run an XP window within?

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These new systems are enticing — the speed, the memory (some up to 12gb), the disk size, and the prices are not too high either.


68 posted on 03/14/2010 5:33:32 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: saundby

Cool website, I like what you’re doing. I cut my teeth on the 8080 and MC68000 but I haven’t worked with anything but PIC micros for a decade now.

I’m going to keep an eye on your site for updates.


69 posted on 03/14/2010 5:36:36 AM PDT by AussieJoe
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To: ChrisInAR

Define ‘restored’ - are you talking about restoring from a backup or using a recovery (reinstallation) disk provided by your PC’s manufacturer?

Restoring from a backup may simply reestablish problems with registry, system files, etc. that were part and parcel of your setup at the time you created the backup.

The only way to to get ‘factory fresh’ is to reinstall Windows (or use the recovery disks) and applications then restore only your data from the backup.


70 posted on 03/14/2010 5:37:44 AM PDT by relictele
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To: J Edgar
MS conspires for profit

Then good for them. Go whine at DU, and pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged on your way out the door.
71 posted on 03/14/2010 6:21:18 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: dangus
No mention of Linux because no-one uses Linux for home computing.

BS

I'm running openSuSE 11.2 on the laptop I'm posting this from. And some OS' have been able to handle larger sector sizes for quite a number of years.

Typically, the server class OS'; larger sector sizes were more efficient for large data sets (DB files). the 512B size was better for a larger number of smaller data sets (larger numbers of small files). It's been a trade off depending on the type of data you stored. But, that was back when HD's were measured in MB and early GB.

72 posted on 03/14/2010 6:23:33 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

Good for you, and the other nineteen Linux home computers!

Seriously, together with all the other users of Linux-based OS, you make up just less than 1% of market share (not counting Mac OS users).


73 posted on 03/14/2010 6:48:23 AM PDT by dangus (Democrats: People retardants.)
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To: JoeProBono

I’m confused.
Didn’t they switch to 512 bytes from 2004 (IIRC).

The larger sector was wasting space because a file or bit of info only a few bytes in size took up an entire sector and wasted the rest of the sector?


74 posted on 03/14/2010 6:49:44 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: dangus

Considering that Linux is not “sold”, how do you get accurate numbers on the number of users? And the laptop I’m running Linux on, came with Vista (a steaming pile if I ever saw one), that I’ve wiped. So technically, that counts as a Windows seat, even though it occupies no space on my HD.


75 posted on 03/14/2010 6:55:03 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: ChrisInAR
restored my cmptr recently

In light of your problem, that phrase with the word 'restore' in it requires some specifics.

Did you backup just user data and then wipe the drive clean and restore a fresh copy of the OS and then restore your user data?

Did you simly do a repair restore of the OS (presuming Winders here) with the install disk?

What exact steps did you take to 'restore' your computer? That needs to be known up front before any diagnosis can be done.

76 posted on 03/14/2010 10:07:16 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: JoeProBono
Evil Microsoft will make all obsolete computers do this eventually.


77 posted on 03/14/2010 10:15:36 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't criticize. Explain to me who I should support other than Sarah Palin.)
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To: JoeProBono

This article is bullsh*t, as are most anti-Microsoft articles. Windows XP already has, and has had for years, the ability to use differing cluster sizes, including 4k. It is the DOS emulation, or FAT32, format that has the problem. Windows XP also can use the NTFS format, which allows differing cluster sizes.


78 posted on 03/14/2010 10:32:40 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: J Edgar
Windows XP must use an emulation layer that makes the 4KB sectors appear to be several 512 byte ones.

That IS a patch.

79 posted on 03/14/2010 11:23:19 AM PDT by Ingtar (Reckon the process will be silly - Reckonsilliation)
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To: Ingtar

“Windows XP must use an emulation layer that makes the 4KB sectors appear to be several 512 byte ones.
That IS a patch.”

Yes I understand that!
My point is that the same patch that Vista is getting needs to be exported to XP, not this substandard hack that you are touting!


80 posted on 03/14/2010 4:55:56 PM PDT by J Edgar
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