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New Hard Drives Could Spell Trouble for XP Users
switched. ^ | Mar 12th | Terrence O'Brien

Posted on 03/13/2010 10:18:10 PM PST by JoeProBono

By the end of January 2011, almost all new hard drives sold will have switched to a new format that will increase their size and efficiency, but will leave those clinging to Windows XP frustrated.

Traditionally, data on hard disks has been broken up into 512 byte chunks. Each broken-up sector requires additional space on a physical disk to mark the beginning and the end of each piece. Extra space is also needed for error correction, and there needs to be a bit of room to separate it from the next chunk. This wasn't much of a problem when the format debuted in the '80s when hard drives were measured in megabytes. Now that we have entered the terabyte era, the extra room required for each sector leads to wasted space on the surface of a disk.

A new format, which all disk manufacturers have agreed to migrate to by the end of January of next year, increases these sectors to 4 kilobytes, or eight times the size. This reduces waste and increases disk size, but an operating system must be able to recognize the new format. Vista and Windows 7 users are in the clear, as are Mac users with OS X 10.4 or higher and Linux users with a kernel released after September of 2009... XP users, on the other hand, may encounter some problems.

Windows XP must use an emulation layer that makes the 4KB sectors appear to be several 512 byte ones. This won't have much of an impact when reading from the disk, but could lead to slowdowns of as much as 10-percent when writing data. That could be a particularly big problem for those performing media intensive tasks like video editing.

We know this is some pretty techy stuff, but what it boils down to is, if you plan to build a new Windows XP computer in the future, you might want buy your hard drive now. Otherwise, it might be time to consider that upgrade to Windows 7.


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1 posted on 03/13/2010 10:18:10 PM PST by JoeProBono
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To: ShadowAce

Tech Ping!


2 posted on 03/13/2010 10:31:05 PM PST by CedarDave (Hey Mitt, how's that no-apology book tour going? Any other than ivy-tower elites energized yet?)
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To: JoeProBono
Windows XP must use an emulation layer that makes the 4KB sectors appear to be several 512 byte ones. This won't have much of an impact when reading from the disk, but could lead to slowdowns of as much as 10-percent when writing data. That could be a particularly big problem for those performing media intensive tasks like video editing.

Not a big deal at all.

3 posted on 03/13/2010 10:36:01 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: JoeProBono

This will cause some to get freeware. I doubt those with the new notebooks or other XP users would waste their money buying a copy of Vista or 7 IMO.


4 posted on 03/13/2010 10:36:32 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: JoeProBono
Same Old Same Old from MS and hardware interests as they conspire to force obsolescence for profit! A ROM solution on the hardware side could eliminate this problem for XP users by offering, for a small charge, a ROM upgrade that address sectors in the older 512 byte scheme. Go ahead and flame, but MS doesn't compete, MS conspires for profit. IMHO
5 posted on 03/13/2010 10:39:04 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: JoeProBono
Vista and Windows 7 users are in the clear, as are Mac users with OS X 10.4 or higher and Linux users with a kernel released after September of 2009... XP users, on the other hand, may encounter some problems.

Let's see, older versions of Mac OS, Linux and Windows are affected. Only Windows rates a mention in the headline.
6 posted on 03/13/2010 10:39:51 PM PST by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD, and a BMF besides.)
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To: JoeProBono

Would anyone be kind enough to give me a lil advice?

I restored my cmptr recently, ‘cuz it was performing waaaaaay to slowly. I thought that by doing so, everything would be RESTORED as if the cmptr was brand new. Boy, was I wrong.

I still have prob’s w/ slow downloading time, my cmptr is VERY slow when starting up, &, even after “restoring” things, it still takes longer to surf the net than it did when it was brand new (I have a broadband connection, NOT a dial-up). What am I to do, & is it even possible for me to get things running as fast as it did when I bought it about 5 yrs ago???

Thank you very much.


7 posted on 03/13/2010 10:41:11 PM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: JoeProBono

I’m building a sweet gaming rig.
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 case
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD5 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
2X DIAMOND 5970PE52G Radeon HD 5970 (Hemlock) 2GB 512 (256 x 2)-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support
ENERMAX REVOLUTION85+ ERV1050EWT 1050W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire
Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor

With about 5TB worth of hard drives.

Getting a couple of components per paycheck.

I’m going to play Crysis at max settings if it kills me!!!


8 posted on 03/13/2010 10:44:33 PM PST by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: J Edgar
Go ahead and flame, but MS doesn’t compete, MS conspires for profit. IMHO

Ummm..exactly the same problem is going to affect older versions of Mac OS and Linux. Do they conspire for profits too(not that there is anything wromg with profits)?

9 posted on 03/13/2010 10:45:44 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: JoeProBono

Well, let’s see. There are an abundance of cheap 2TB and below drives out there that will probably be around on EBay for quite a few years.

I’ll go out on a limb here but I think if XP users want to continue running XP after the new drives are introduced, I don’t think this will be a problem.


10 posted on 03/13/2010 10:48:37 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Democrats and Pelosi. The party of thieves, liars and tax cheats)
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To: RandallFlagg
Good idea!


11 posted on 03/13/2010 10:49:45 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: ComputerGuy
Let's see, older versions of Mac OS, Linux and Windows are affected. Only Windows rates a mention in the headline.

Last I looked, WinXP was the most common OS on the planet; hence the headline.

I wonder if stubborn XP users could run their beloved operating system as a virtual machine running under Linux.

12 posted on 03/13/2010 10:52:16 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: SmokingJoe

Hi SmokinJoe
The difference is that Mac users are offered inexpensive upgrades, and Linux users are offered FREE upgrades!
MS could easily offer a patch to XP users too, but they won’t because that is counter-predatory policy!


13 posted on 03/13/2010 10:53:01 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: VeniVidiVici
Well, let’s see. There are an abundance of cheap 2TB and below drives out there that will probably be around on EBay for quite a few years.

I’ll go out on a limb here but I think if XP users want to continue running XP after the new drives are introduced, I don’t think this will be a problem.

+10000%

14 posted on 03/13/2010 10:53:17 PM PST by Dumpster Baby (Truth is called hate by those who hate the truth.)
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To: ChrisInAR

Soooo Kay just what did you buy 5 yrs ago?


15 posted on 03/13/2010 10:53:45 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Well, it may have been longer than that...it’s a Dell PC using Windows XP.


16 posted on 03/13/2010 10:56:28 PM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: ChrisInAR
I restored my cmptr recently, ‘cuz it was performing waaaaaay to slowly. I thought that by doing so, everything would be RESTORED as if the cmptr was brand new.

cmptr? Are you rationing vowels today?

17 posted on 03/13/2010 11:01:13 PM PST by Isabel C.
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To: ChrisInAR

WHICH Dell PC - Model?


18 posted on 03/13/2010 11:02:57 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: J Edgar

“Go ahead and flame, but MS doesn’t compete, MS conspires for profit. IMHO “

You think you got problems, I still use my trusty 386sx25 running DOS6.22/WFW3.11 to code and burn microcontrollers (no, really, I do!). Try finding a replacement video card or RS232 card that’s ISA compatible! Fortunately I still have a few ISA bus development cards, and the discrete logic chips are still available, so if worse comes to worse I can build my own.


19 posted on 03/13/2010 11:06:00 PM PST by AussieJoe
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To: JoeProBono

Dimension 9100


20 posted on 03/13/2010 11:08:50 PM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: ChrisInAR

OK then - sorry I asked.


21 posted on 03/13/2010 11:09:35 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: AussieJoe

My Hat’s off to you Joe - sounds like you are in my age bracket - but a hell of a lot more resourceful!


22 posted on 03/13/2010 11:10:42 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: JoeProBono

Something wrong?


23 posted on 03/13/2010 11:10:58 PM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: ChrisInAR

Nope

http://www.memorystock.com/memory/DellDimension9100.html


24 posted on 03/13/2010 11:11:51 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: ChrisInAR

I have a dell dimension c521 and I’ve found that my virus software slows me down. And some unneeded programs starting up in the background took up memory, so I stopped them from starting.


25 posted on 03/13/2010 11:17:52 PM PST by GloriaJane (Pro-Choice = Pro-Death........ Pro-Life = Pro-LIFE!)
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To: ComputerGuy

“Inferno sweeps through Los Angeles.”
“Inferno sweeps through Eric Wilson’s back yard.”

Which gets the headline?

No mention of Linux because no-one uses Linux for home computing.


26 posted on 03/13/2010 11:21:12 PM PST by dangus (Democrats: People retardants.)
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To: RandallFlagg
I’m going to play Crysis at max settings if it kills me!!!

I admire your tenacity. It must be one hell of a game if you would make that kind of investment. This is the best advertisement that I've seen for a game, ever. I'm going out to buy Crysis tomorrow. Lets hope my box can play it at minimum settings. ;-)
27 posted on 03/13/2010 11:21:26 PM PST by lmr (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: JoeProBono

Thanx for your help, but YIKES! That’s way over my head.


28 posted on 03/13/2010 11:24:06 PM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: J Edgar
How do you know MS will not offer a patch for XP when the time comes?
Remember, these new hard drives don't even hit the market till the end of January of next year
29 posted on 03/13/2010 11:24:29 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: ChrisInAR

Have you ever opened up your computer to see the parts inside?


30 posted on 03/13/2010 11:30:03 PM PST by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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To: ansel12

No, I’m not sure how to. I’m also worried about messing something up if I do....not to mention the fact that I’m legally blind & have trouble being able to see small items & am unable to work around them.

I thought there was a program that I could download to clean up my cmptr...something that could return it to its original state, or close to it.


31 posted on 03/13/2010 11:35:16 PM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: SmokingJoe

XP will be put to pasture (no more updates) by year end or early next year-NO? PPL will be forced to upgrade their Hardware to run WIN 7 or actually buy Vista, can you imagine anyone buying Vista?

WIN 7, 64 bit rocks.


32 posted on 03/13/2010 11:37:38 PM PST by corbe (mystified)
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To: corbe

XP=eXPired


33 posted on 03/13/2010 11:41:25 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: ChrisInAR

I thought of something else. Is your service provider slowing you down? I use Verizon wireless and if you use a certain amount of broadband they cut your speed.

I complained to them several times about my speed being like dial up and they kept telling me it’s because I’m too far away from the cell tower. But then one service rep did something on the other end and Wow! My speed wizzed along for a week or two & then boo hoo, it went back to slow ville.

I found out that they cut your speed down if you use more then so many what evers a month. And I use more then the allowed amount.

Oh, a few years back my other computer slowed down to a slow crawl because I needed a new battery. Just a thought.


34 posted on 03/13/2010 11:42:04 PM PST by GloriaJane (Pro-Choice = Pro-Death........ Pro-Life = Pro-LIFE!)
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To: ChrisInAR; JoeProBono

It is real easy to open the case with a screwdriver and then remove the old memory from it’s socket and push the new ones in, you just use your fingers, no tools are needed, and no wires are touched or even connect to it at all, it is just something that is unplugged and is plugged in, in a simple socket.

You can get a friend to help you, I think that is what Joe was suggesting, it would really speed up your computer.


35 posted on 03/13/2010 11:49:16 PM PST by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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To: ChrisInAR

Try doing theses things on this page: http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/maintenance/speed.aspx

After that try CCleaner. I use it everyday to keep my computer clean and it’s FREE! Go here for the free download: http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/CCleaner/ccleaner.html


36 posted on 03/13/2010 11:51:25 PM PST by GloriaJane (Pro-Choice = Pro-Death........ Pro-Life = Pro-LIFE!)
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To: SmokingJoe

from the article:
“XP users, on the other hand, may encounter some problems.

Windows XP must use an emulation layer that makes the 4KB sectors appear to be several 512 byte ones. This won’t have much of an impact when reading from the disk, but could lead to”
SmokingJoe’s question:
“How do you know MS will not offer a patch for XP when the time comes?
Remember, these new hard drives don’t even hit the market till the end of January of next year”
J Edgar’s reply:
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought that was the point of the article under discussion -XP users are are of luck - left in the cold by MS for not upgrading to vista or win 7


37 posted on 03/13/2010 11:52:08 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: corbe

I believe that XP is to be updated until at least April, 2014.


38 posted on 03/14/2010 12:03:47 AM PST by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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To: RandallFlagg

Argg! Die a horriable death! (So I can steal your rig)


39 posted on 03/14/2010 12:06:29 AM PST by Raymann
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To: GloriaJane
Great idea.

CCleaner also allows you to stop/start loading programs, but I don't think it's available at this very moment.

40 posted on 03/14/2010 12:06:48 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: ansel12
Microsoft Pledges Windows XP Support Through 2014
41 posted on 03/14/2010 12:10:17 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: J Edgar

From what I have seen, this is driven as much or more from the hardware side as from Microsoft. They want to be able to keep offering larger drive capacities and the old format limits them. If you noticed in the article, they will work with XP, albeit slower on the writes. I’m not sure the older versions of the other OS will have the option. They may have to upgrade. At least it is free with Linux.


42 posted on 03/14/2010 12:11:11 AM PST by Ingtar (Reckon the process will be silly - Reckonsilliation)
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To: JoeProBono

ping


43 posted on 03/14/2010 12:13:41 AM PST by altoinprogress
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To: AussieJoe

I was programming NOVRAMs on my trusty old 486DX2-75 under DOS 6.22 today myself. I do use a new Atom system with a USB to serial converter for programming AVRs, however.

Obsolescence? I fear nothing.

After all, the system I was programming chips for today is my new built from scratch 8085:
http://saundby.com/electronics/8085/

The permanent version is much farther along than the site shows. The main circuit card is complete (tested the last bits, user I/O ports, today) and I’m about to cut metal on the enclosure. Time for a website update, I guess.


44 posted on 03/14/2010 12:23:49 AM PST by saundby
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To: JoeProBono; All

I can't see this being much of a problem at all, as NTSF has been around
for XP users to use for nearly 10 years now.

Just keep formatting your hard drive in NTSF format (4K clusters), break
up the partitions so they are less than 2TB, or simply stay under 2TB when
you buy a new physical drive.

Your system may have lower limitations anyway. I have backup 5-year-old
laptop that can't see anything above 136 GB because of the BIOS and chipset.

Criteria

NTFS5

NTFS

exFAT/FAT64

FAT32

FAT16

FAT12

Operating System

Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows 2003 Server
Windows Vista
Windows 7

Windows NT
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows 2003 Server
Windows Vista
Windows 7

Windows CE 6.0
Windows Vista SP1
Windows 7
WinXP+KB955704  

DOS v7 and higher
Windows 98
Windows ME
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows 2003 Server
Windows Vista
Windows 7

DOS
All versions of
Microsoft Windows

DOS
All versions of
Microsoft Windows

 

Limitations

Max Volume Size

2TB

2TB

64ZB

32GB for all OS.
2TB for some OS

2GB for all OS.
4GB for some OS

16MB

Max Files on Volume

Nearly Unlimited

Nearly Unlimited

Nearly Unlimited

4194304

65536

Max File Size

Limit Only by
Volume Size

Limit Only by
Volume Size

16ZB

4GB minus 2 Bytes

2GB (Limit Only
by Volume Size)

16MB (Limit Only
by Volume Size)

Max Clusters Number

Nearly Unlimited

Nearly Unlimited

4294967295

4177918

65520

4080

Max File Name Length

Up to 255

Up to 255

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Standard - 8.3
Extended - up to 255

Up to 254

 


45 posted on 03/14/2010 12:40:25 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: JoeProBono

I just followed the link I posted and downloaded the program to make sure it was there and it downloaded ok.


46 posted on 03/14/2010 12:43:17 AM PST by GloriaJane (Pro-Choice = Pro-Death........ Pro-Life = Pro-LIFE!)
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To: VeniVidiVici
I was thinking the same thing. I bought the laptop I am using to type this message on Ebay last year from someone who had purchased a brand new computer and replaced Vista (which I hate) with XP (which I love). XP users should be able to fins anything they need at a reasonable price on Ebay.
47 posted on 03/14/2010 12:44:15 AM PST by srmorton (Chose Life!)
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To: ChrisInAR

One word:

FDISK


48 posted on 03/14/2010 12:45:09 AM PST by djf (Who says "The stuff of life" is not stuff? Mostly it's people who have the most stuff.)
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To: JoeProBono

What they need to support is IE7 for W2K


49 posted on 03/14/2010 12:46:13 AM PST by djf (Who says "The stuff of life" is not stuff? Mostly it's people who have the most stuff.)
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To: GloriaJane

Cool


50 posted on 03/14/2010 12:50:38 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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