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Army drops bayonets, busts abs in training revamp
Associated Press ^ | Mar 16, 2010 | SUSANNE M. SCHAFER

Posted on 03/16/2010 4:12:45 AM PDT by decimon

FORT JACKSON, S.C. – At 5 a.m. on the Army's largest training base, soldiers grunt through the kinds of stretches, body twists and bent-leg raises that might be seen in an "ab blaster" class at a suburban gym.

Adapting to battlefield experience in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Army is revamping its basic training regimen for the first time in three decades by nixing five-mile runs and bayonet drills in favor of zigzag sprints and honing core muscles.

Trainers hope the switch will better prepare soldiers physically for the pace of combat, with its sudden dashes and rolling gun battles. They also want to toughen recruits who are often more familiar with Facebook than fistfights.

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1 posted on 03/16/2010 4:12:45 AM PDT by decimon
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“Most of these soldiers have never been in a fistfight or any kind of a physical confrontation. They are stunned when they get smacked in the face,” said Capt. Scott Sewell, overseeing almost 190 trainees in their third week of training. “We are trying to get them to act, to think like warriors.”

When I was in GRADE school we were fighting. Things sure have changed.


2 posted on 03/16/2010 4:19:16 AM PDT by dljordan (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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When you were in grade school they probably didn’t expel you for using your hand as a gun.


3 posted on 03/16/2010 4:34:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: decimon
If you really want to witness Army training, go to Ft. Benning ,GA , Home of the Infantry.
They don't do 5 mile runs either , they do 12 mile road marches with full Battle Rattle (About 200 lbs)of gear on.
Then go on to the range where they're given 50 rounds, to hit random pop up targets, 40 hits to center of mass is passing.
Forget Ft. Jackson they train OTG’s there (Other than Infantry )
4 posted on 03/16/2010 4:34:51 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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As long as they train for what they will do.


5 posted on 03/16/2010 4:39:51 AM PDT by decimon
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OK, where’s that M4 Chainsaw pic...


6 posted on 03/16/2010 4:40:57 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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... they do 12 mile road marches with full Battle Rattle (About 200 lbs)of gear on.

I don't understand the benefit of a combat soldier carrying all that heavy gear on their backs. It seems that would interfere with agility and readiness. Please explain!

7 posted on 03/16/2010 4:41:12 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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I could be mistaken, but I don’t think any unit in the Army road marches with 200 lbs. of gear.


8 posted on 03/16/2010 4:41:21 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: decimon

In 1900 a soldier still wasn’t able to carry 200 rounds of ammo around with him. The idea of a bayonet on an M16 is pretty ridiculous.


9 posted on 03/16/2010 4:43:31 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: decimon

ping


10 posted on 03/16/2010 4:45:30 AM PDT by 4Speed
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

I’ll ask my nephew. He trained at Ft Benning.


11 posted on 03/16/2010 4:47:42 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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...12 mile road marches with full Battle Rattle (About 200 lbs)of gear on.

So that's why my knees are shot to hell, 20 years after retirement.

(Although I think it was closer to about 85 pounds of gear.)

12 posted on 03/16/2010 4:47:45 AM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and Obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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//The idea of a bayonet on an M16 is pretty ridiculous//

The bayonet is one of those tools you hardly ever need, but when you do, you’ll really need it. You always need to be able to fix a bayonet on the weapon in case the fighting gets real close in.


13 posted on 03/16/2010 4:50:22 AM PDT by valkyry1
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When I was in GRADE school we were fighting. Things sure have changed.

Yep!


14 posted on 03/16/2010 4:52:06 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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I did my basic training at Ft. Jackson in 1988. My AIT was at Ft. Gordon. I am with the poster who was surprised that most soldiers have never been in a fist fight. Where I grew up in Texas even the majority of the girls had been their fair share of scraps.


15 posted on 03/16/2010 4:52:15 AM PDT by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes; Robe

I believe the typical combat load is about 85 pounds.


16 posted on 03/16/2010 4:54:44 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

When you’re in a firefight, it’s too late to go back for anything you need, ammo, water, food, night vision gear, batteries, rain gear, cold weather gear, if you don’t have it with you when you need it you’re screwed. Watch “Blackhawk Down.”

You don’t know ahead of time how long you’ll be gone, how many enemy you’ll face, or how long support will be delayed. That’s why they carry so much stuff.


17 posted on 03/16/2010 4:56:15 AM PDT by E.Allen
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To: Bad Jack Bauer

yeah, thanks to the wonderful public schools system...


18 posted on 03/16/2010 4:59:37 AM PDT by fabian
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“When you were in grade school they probably didn’t expel you for using your hand as a gun.”

Nor when you did use your fingers as a gun taking the class hostage, did the teachers run screaming in terror from the classroom... call the police and take the you away in handcuffs...


19 posted on 03/16/2010 5:01:14 AM PDT by PIF
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OK, I learned in combat, OIF-2003, that you really do not run much, short sprints. We carried way to much gear and that really did make it hard to move fast and agile. So far I agree. However, I always fixed my bayonet..I was not issued one, but had my own...and found that most Iraqis found that more intimidating then anything else, and like a lot of things you'll never need it until you need it...sort of like a fire extinguisher. So, lose the stupid long runs and add more forced marches with combat load and add more training with the bayonet. Just my take

Cheers,

20 posted on 03/16/2010 5:07:31 AM PDT by 95B30 (Beer is proof that God loves us...)
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