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Census 2010 and Race (or Why aren't Hispanics Brown?) VANITY
Self | KittenClaws

Posted on 03/19/2010 6:01:49 PM PDT by KittenClaws

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To: gitmo
Is Obama filling out the census? It’s a Federal Crime to lie.

No, it's not. You don't sign the census attesting it to be true to the best of your knowledge. I'm not sure why so many people think this.

41 posted on 03/19/2010 7:19:38 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: timeflies
Also there were three choices for black Americans. African American, Black or Negro. Aren’t these all the same?

Not really.

All African-Americans are black, but not all blacks living in this country are African-Americans.

A black immigrant from, say, the Caribbean (assuming they are legal) and are permanent resident aliens are not African-Americans, since they are not officially Americans.

42 posted on 03/19/2010 7:26:00 PM PDT by PallMal
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To: KittenClaws

I actually met a fellow freeper during the census trainnig. There were quite a few people in my traininig session who were conservatives that were working for the census to try to keep an eye on things.


43 posted on 03/19/2010 7:30:40 PM PDT by chae (I am karmic retribution)
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To: PallMal

Not all African-Americans are black, as John Kerry’s (who served in Vietnam) wife will attest!


44 posted on 03/19/2010 7:31:13 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: chae
I actually met a fellow freeper during the census trainnig. There were quite a few people in my traininig session who were conservatives that were working for the census to try to keep an eye on things

You don;t know how much I like knowing that!

45 posted on 03/19/2010 7:32:19 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: timeflies

Golfer Ernie Els has a home in Florida. Erine is from South Africa. Ernie is clearly more African than Jesse Jackson. Should Ernie put “White” which is his color, or “African” which is his race?


46 posted on 03/19/2010 7:33:02 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: KittenClaws
My apology, if I have offended.

No, no offense whatsoever. It is known, especially here in So Cal that the Mexicans want to portray themselves as a stand alone race (remember La Razza? (race))and if you dare say anything against them you are a "Racist".

Well, the Mexicans are just another type of "ETHNIC"group, just like the Chinese, Mongols, Vikings, Gauls, Germanic, Roman etc. Therefore claiming special privileges to freeload the system because of an imaginary persecution of specific race, it is a futile task.

47 posted on 03/19/2010 7:42:24 PM PDT by danmar (Life is hard enough, even harder if you're stupid! John Wayne)
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To: KittenClaws
Uh, maybe because many Hispanics are WHITE, especially in places like South Florida?

A better question is why we consider Semitic/Middle Eastern/Persian people to be "white", while WHITE EUROPEAN HISPANICS are counted as "nonwhite."

48 posted on 03/19/2010 7:46:56 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: KittenClaws
True, but at lot of the responses from the census are used for research, and the impact of policy on demographic groups is always sought after.

True. But the census is not about demographic groups and research- or it shouldn't be. It is about representation for the "people".

From the questions on the Census it is pretty clear that the real purpose is far from what they say it is. For statistical purposes a lot of the questions make no sense -- for example, the exact birth date of each person has no significance statistically -- certainly knowing the month they were born in is sufficient for statistical modeling of things like how many kids will enter school next year. But it sure is handy if you want to match up names against the SSA and IRS databases, or against the TSA databases.

Nor is your middle initial relevant to any census purposes, but it sure is handy for the NSA, FBI, TSA, and CIA to eliminate extra name matches.

Nor is it relevant for any legitimate statistical purpose to require parents to identify children as biological or adopted. What possible effect could that distinction have on congressional districts, or even allocation of funding to states, or economic development planning?

I'll bet $100 that there are classified directives allowing NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. to search through the census data base, because there is no other reason for the Census Bureau to waste paper and money on gathering information that is useless to their supposed mission.

49 posted on 03/19/2010 7:51:05 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Clemenza
Uh, maybe because many Hispanics are WHITE, especially in places like South Florida?

A better question is why we consider Semitic/Middle Eastern/Persian people to be "white", while WHITE EUROPEAN HISPANICS are counted as "nonwhite

I have a large Mexican presence in my family. My neice married into a wonderful Mexican (from Mexico), family.

They do not see themselves as Hispanic, but Mexican. Oddly enough, they think they are brown.

And, agreeing with you, most Spaniards, are white.

But I am not the one defining a difference, Our Government is.

50 posted on 03/19/2010 7:54:29 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: freeandfreezing
From the questions on the Census it is pretty clear that the real purpose is far from what they say it is. For statistical purposes a lot of the questions make no sense -- for example, the exact birth date of each person has no significance statistically -- certainly knowing the month they were born in is sufficient for statistical modeling of things like how many kids will enter school next year. But it sure is handy if you want to match up names against the SSA and IRS databases, or against the TSA databases.

Nor is your middle initial relevant to any census purposes, but it sure is handy for the NSA, FBI, TSA, and CIA to eliminate extra name matches.

Nor is it relevant for any legitimate statistical purpose to require parents to identify children as biological or adopted. What possible effect could that distinction have on congressional districts, or even allocation of funding to states, or economic development planning?

I'll bet $100 that there are classified directives allowing NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. to search through the census data base, because there is no other reason for the Census Bureau to waste paper and money on gathering information that is useless to their supposed mission.

____________________________________________________________ Well, and thank you for helping me achieve a restfull sleep tonight.

51 posted on 03/19/2010 7:57:22 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: KittenClaws
My GF is Brazilian of Portuguese/Indian/Black/Italian ancestry. There is NOTHING on our census that covers that, so I put her down as "other."

American racial categorizations are retarded. Either go by race (biology) or go by ethnicity (Italian, Turkish, Vietnamese, etc.).

52 posted on 03/19/2010 7:59:49 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: KittenClaws

I feel the same way. But after 25 years of this crap, including years of refusing to answer the race questions on surveys, I have resigned myself to a basic fact of life: our govt is hopelessly obsessed with race and ethnicity. A lot of people probably wouldn’t have a job were it not for certain lines on official documents.


53 posted on 03/19/2010 8:01:31 PM PDT by freespirited (We're not the Party of No. We're the Party of HELL NO!!!)
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To: KittenClaws
All questions are “as of” April 1st, 2010. Mailing it before then would make anyone filling it out immediately (as requested) a liar.

It doesn't make you a liar as long as your answers are correct on that date. Most people have a pretty good idea who will be living in their house a week or two from now.

54 posted on 03/19/2010 8:04:33 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Clemenza

. . .or go by how many “people” reside at this address?


55 posted on 03/19/2010 8:19:30 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: freespirited
I feel the same way. But after 25 years of this crap, including years of refusing to answer the race questions on surveys, I have resigned myself to a basic fact of life: our govt is hopelessly obsessed with race and ethnicity. A lot of people probably wouldn’t have a job were it not for certain lines on official documents

I would not have a job if I didn't speak Spanish. It's almost mandatory around these parts..

What happened to a common language? The common language keeps people united. But no, I have to learn Spanish just to survive in my own Country.

56 posted on 03/19/2010 8:23:56 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: Greysard
It doesn't make you a liar as long as your answers are correct on that date. Most people have a pretty good idea who will be living in their house a week or two from now.

That's reasnable, yes. But - is this government reasonable?

57 posted on 03/19/2010 8:26:03 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: KittenClaws
That's true, and the reason why "African-American" is not only a misleading term to use, it is overused in the media and by others to the point of absurdity.

For example, anything "black" is African-American, even if the person(s) being spoken of have never set foot in the USA.

58 posted on 03/19/2010 8:33:43 PM PDT by PallMal
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To: PallMal

It’s all PC.

Political Correctness will be the death of us.


59 posted on 03/19/2010 8:53:51 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: KittenClaws

I looked at these questions as a GREAT opportunity for ACORN to steal identities of tax paying citizens. I mean really, name, dob, address, etc. What next, mother’s maiden name?


60 posted on 03/20/2010 7:07:44 AM PDT by poobear
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