[LongElegantLegs]

I mentioned it because the specificity of your boasting amused me; I'm aware of what can be achieved with herding dogs. I'm still wondering if you consider bad training to be a uniquely pitbull fault, because of this quote:

I have to wonder which is more stupid. The dog because it isn't smart enough to do what it needs to do

[JoeProBono]

[oldenuff2no]

Until I see a pit bull working at the level we train to I will have no doubt as to my opinion of their train-ability, predictability and the low level of their intelligence.
Working stock dogs have have a working vocabulary that can reach hundreds of commands.
I actually think most pit bull problems are because of people who do not understand the potential nature of the dogs that pull them down the street.
Lets clean up one more big lie. There was a comment about the war dogs being rehabilitated. That was true but the way it was stated was meant lead one to believe that these were pit bulls, they were not. For the most part these early war dogs were, belgian shepherds, Tervurens, german shepherds, belgian sheepdogs, and malinois.