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To: Borges
"I cannot think of a single major fantasy writer who is Jewish, and there are only a handful of minor ones of any note."

Isaac Asimov? Gene Roddenberry?

4 posted on 05/03/2010 1:28:41 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

He’s making a distinction between SF and Fantasy.


5 posted on 05/03/2010 1:30:04 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; Borges
Gene Roddenberry was raised as a Baptist, but became an atheist in adulthood. Isaac Asimov and Harlan Ellison are two Jewish Sci Fi writers that I can think of (and I'm not big on Sci Fi, or fantasy for that matter).

Of course if ANY genre makes me want to vomit it is "Magical Realism," which seems to be the province of Catholics.

6 posted on 05/03/2010 1:31:54 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Asimov was an atheist, as I understood it, although he was not concerned against anyone ever praying on his behalf.


7 posted on 05/03/2010 1:32:42 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; Borges

I immediately started thinking of Jewish sf writers, too ... Harlan Ellison, Avram Davidson ... but the author of this article makes a firm, if not inarguable, distinction between fantasy and science fiction. The lines have blurred in much recent writing, as I learned when I asked my daughter to define “steampunk.”


8 posted on 05/03/2010 1:35:54 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There's a perfectly good island somewhere.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
They are SciFi writers.

I like both SciFi and Fantasy but they are different genre.

14 posted on 05/03/2010 1:41:18 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I guess the entire realm of Marvel Comics --- largely created by Stan Lee doesn't count as "fantasy."



It has everything in it from Thor and Odin to mutants, blending Fantasy and Sci-Fi with little difficulty.

And for DC Comics fans, Batman was created by a Jewish man, Bob Kane, originally as a parable about a Jewish man fighting Nazis.

http://jewishworldreview.com/0805/oirich_batman.php3
28 posted on 05/03/2010 1:59:45 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

if Christianity is a fantasy religion, then Judaism is a science fiction religion”

Citing Asimov and Roddenberry sort of proves the author’s point, no?

I actually think this is a brilliant article.

I have to ponder the inclusion of one of my favorite authors, Mark Helprin. He’s Jewish. But...is he a Jewish author?

I’m not entirely sure you could say that. He’s very cosmopolitan, and there are magical elements in Winter’s Tale. But his other works, though imaginative and memorable, they really are much more this worldly....so....maybe he is a Jewish author, after all.

In any event, he is certainly an aesthete, and a soldier, a lover of language, and a teller of stories.

He’s also a conservative, and I admire him as much as any human being who is alive right now....


29 posted on 05/03/2010 2:06:18 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Joel Rosenberg was the first name to pop into my head. Wrote the Guardians of the Flame series . . . very talented fantasy writer. . . as well as Sci-fi and now mysteries.


31 posted on 05/03/2010 2:08:02 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Both would be classes as “science fiction” writers - in that writing field, Jews excel.
33 posted on 05/03/2010 2:10:18 PM PDT by GOPJ ("Draw Mohammad Day" - - May 20, 2010 - Draw for freedom - draw for your children's freedom.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Isaac Asimov? Gene Roddenberry? Didn't you read the article?
It is not only that Jews are ambivalent about a return to an imaginary feudal past. It is even more accurate to say that most Jews have been deeply and passionately invested in modernity, and that history, rather than otherworldliness, has been the very ground of the radical and transformative projects of the modern Jewish experience. This goes some way towards explaining the Jewish enthusiasm for science fiction over fantasy (from Asimov to Silverberg to Weinbaum there is no dearth of Jewish science fiction writers

It's not that it's impossible to write both fantasy and hard SF/alternative history. There are examples of writers who have done it (Poul Anderson, Gordon Dickson, Mary Gentle, Rudyard Kipling, Elizabeth Moon), but offhand I can't think of any of Jewish background who have done so.

Just as those of Jewish background tend to gravitate towards progressive politics, they seem to avoid contemplating a non-technological culture that is never going to become the shiny Star Trek universe.

59 posted on 05/03/2010 2:42:47 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (great thing about being a cynic: you can enjoy being proved wrong)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Avram Davidson?

Avram Davidson (April 23, 1923 – May 8, 1993) was an American Jewish writer of fantasy fiction, science fiction, and crime fiction, as well as the author of many stories that do not fit into a genre niche. He won a Hugo Award and three World Fantasy Awards in the science fiction and fantasy genre, a World Fantasy Life Achievement award, and a Queen’s Award and an Edgar Award in the mystery genre. Davidson edited The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction from 1962 to 1964. His last novel The Boss in the Wall: A Treatise on the House Devil was completed by Grania Davis and was a Nebula Award finalist in 1998. The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction says “he is perhaps sf’s most explicitly literary author”.


74 posted on 05/03/2010 4:09:21 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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