You know, Urroner, I'm only a ping away. If you want to know what I believe, ask me! (You don't have to assume away and start guessing and start imposing upon me what I believe). You don't have to gossip about me (you spoke to svcw about me without copying me on the ping)
But, no, Urroner, I don't subscribed to "once saved, always saved" for everybody. I know on Jesus' part, indeed we are secure in Him from His side (John 10). And I know prodigals return. But I also know there's a point of no return for some.
Personally, I think that it’s just him trying to scare people away from Mormonism and into the arms of his brand of Christianity, yet the acts mentioned in those posts are also do everyday by members of “true” Christianity©.
There ya go again, trying to speak on my behalf as to what my motivations are. (What? Did I hire you as my spokesman?) Do you enjoy reading my mind? Remember, Urroner, given that Mormons are 2% of the American population, and that those who "claim" to be Christian can be up to 75% of the population, you would need to come up with a scandal ratio of 35 to 38 times re: so-called "Christians" to match what these media outlets are revealing about the "living testimonies" of Mormons.
You won't be able to find that ratio, Urroner. Not in your wildest dreams. We're seeing, "Ye shall know them by their fruit" lived out. (Of course, there are "tares" in all religious bodies...but "tares" alone cannot explain what we're seeing in Mormonism on a massive ratio scale)
I just find it rather humorous when he posts things about a Mormon or somebody from Mormon territory and is assumed to be Mormon, and tries to bring it out as a national problem, yet he lives on the other side of the curtain, telling us all to not worry about those behind the curtain.
Now, you are downright misrepresenting my words in my last post. "Worry" isn't a Christian trait; so if I'm encouraging people not to worry, it's because it isn't Christian to do so. But that doesn't mean we aren't to be concerned about "sin in the camp." Of course we are. And I said so in the last post. I thanked you for bringing to the attention the first example you gave. And I said judgment begins in the household of God.
It just seems to me, and I could be mistaken here, that Colofornian is not worried in the slightest about “true” Christians© like him, rather it’s about us Mormons. He must believe that his house is already in order, without fault or sin since I never hear him worrying about it.
You are mistaken in thinking I am not concerned (but yes, I am not "worried" -- as I said, worry is of the enemy, not of God). Think about it for a moment, Urroner. If you had serious sin in your household, would you put an ad in the local paper about it? Or would you go direct to the person and try to solve it that way? So because I choose to deal direct with that person or church body, you falsely accuse me of this?
Secondly, where's your consistency on this? Do I accuse you and other Mormons of what you just accused me of just because I NEVER see you or other Mormons post these scandals on FR?
What if I did what you just did? What if I said: Well, Lds FReepers are not worried in the slightest about “true” Mormons© like them...They must believe that their house is already in order, without fault or sin since I never hear them worrying about it???
So, then, Urroner, if that's your standard, when are YOU going to start getting on your own case & other Mormons' cases since they seem to be pretty comfy with all the scandals going on around them? Where's your call for Lds reformation, Urroner, if that is what you are judging me on?
Me? I told you in my last post there is great need for reformation & renewal & revitalization in the Lord's church. Can we get that same admission from your lips re: the Mormon church? (Yes or no?)
Why is it that the most common responses we get from Mormons about Mormon scandals is not about how horrible it is, but instead they instead attack the messengers?
Where's the call for reformation?
Where's the call for renewal?
Where's the call for revitalization?
The Lord's church needs it. I confess it! I stress it!
What about rampant and scandalous sin in the Mormon camp? Why do Mormons think they need to hide this sin? To duck under some PR banner?
Why the double standards, Urroner? Why are you accusing something that even you & your fellow Mormons don't do? You get on my case for not exposing sin in the Christian camp (not even knowing how I respond to it) -- and yet where are the Mormon FReepers posting threads about scandalous sin in the Mormon camp? Where are they commenting about these threads in admitting and calling for reform and renewal?
MIA.
So until I see that, stop the hyprocrisy. Up until now, I have not accused Mormons openly of ignoring these scandalous sins. (Unlike you, I have not gone on the offense about this). So don't take these comments out of context: I only bring it up because you accuse me of these very things I haven't seen you or other Lds do.
IF YOU THINK I SHOULD BE MORE FORWARD ABOUT THE 'SIN IN THE CAMP' OF CHRISTIANS, THEN, PLEASE, I SIMPLY REQUEST THAT YOU SET THE EXAMPLE FOR ME; START POSTING THREADS ABOUT LDS SCANDALS.
(Otherwise, Urroner, if you are asking me to do something you are not willing to do yourself, or that you're not asking other Mormons do, let's see, how shall I say this politely: Shut your mouth)
I said earlier:
Personally, I think that it’s just him trying to scare people away from Mormonism and into the arms of his brand of Christianity
Colofornian replied with:
There ya go again, trying to speak on my behalf as to what my motivations are. (What? Did I hire you as my spokesman?) Do you enjoy reading my mind?
I say now:
Sorry to have confused you Colorfornian with words like “I think.” I didn’t say anything was your motives, just what they could be. That is what “I think” means.
But what I find interesting is that while you accuse me of reading your mind AND declaring your motives as if I truly knew, you are doing the very same things to me. You declare, as a fact, what I am doing.
So Colofornian, before you try removing the mote you believe is in my eye, please, please, please, please, look at what might be in your eye.
Colofornian finally lets go with a screaming fit:
IF YOU THINK I SHOULD BE MORE FORWARD ABOUT THE ‘SIN IN THE CAMP’ OF CHRISTIANS, THEN, PLEASE, I SIMPLY REQUEST THAT YOU SET THE EXAMPLE FOR ME; START POSTING THREADS ABOUT LDS SCANDALS.
I, terrified and quivering in my boots, reply:
Hmmm, you rant and rave about us Mormon and you only post article about how terrible we are and still refuse to say word one to anybody about the skeletons in your closet. You hold us to one standard, but hold your own to a different standard.
If you haven’t noticed Mr. “Let’s Expose Our Neighbors’ Sins To the World and Hide All The Good Things They Do, While Doing Just the Exact Opposite for Us,” you seem very much a hypocrite to me by your actions.
You ask me to talk with you, but which is better, to talk to somebody or to watch their actions. Actions speak louder and clearer than words. You want me to do the same as you, but I really have no desire to do that. I don’t look pointing out the evils of others or what I deem as their evils very often and very seldom do.
The simple fact that you only talk about the evils of Mormons and never say word one about the evils of “true” Christians© nor do you ever say anything about the good things Mormons do point to an probable underlying layer of anger and/or hatred of Mormons with a good heap of fear thrown in.
BTW, “worry” can mean “to torment oneself with or suffer from disturbing thoughts.” It can also mean “to be concerned for.”
BTW, have you ever thought about pinging me or do I have to ping you?