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BUSTED: "Is DELL Computer Aiding N. Korea [Weapons Program] In Violation of US Federal Law?"
Korean Central News Agency, (KCNA), North Korea ^ | 25 May 2010 | AmericanInTokyo

Posted on 05/25/2010 12:56:42 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo

Just found this photo from Communist North Korea from several days ago apparantly during one of dictator Kim Jong il's "on the spot guidance tours".

and also here:

Note the manufacturer of the computer monitor (and presumably the hard drive itself) (Dell Computer, Round Rock, Texas, USA), which General Secretary Kim Jong-il is inspecting.

Link to article on North Korean news through Japanese website:

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: chemicalweapons; computers; dell; dellcomputer; dprk; hamhung; kimjongil; korea; nkorea; northkorea; pyongyang; roguestate; waronterror; weapons; wmd
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Kim visited "Hamhung University of Chemical Industry" on or about 21 May 2010. The institution was Hamhung University of Chemical Industry (咸興化学工業大学)

The Academy of Defense Science [Hamhung Branch] is one of at least four chemical weapons research and development facilities, and there is speculation that the University of Chemical Industry [formerly the Hamhung University of Chemical Industry] may have some connection with chemical technology associated with the North Korean nuclear weapons program. (Source: FAS)

I found these photos today on the KCNA website out of Pyongyang, and some Japanese websites of North Korean origin.

"Trading with the Enemy Act" (12 U.S.C. § 95a) may or may not apply in this case--as this is primarily directed at Cuba, but certainly the provision of technical products to the DPRK for North Korea's chemical weapons program is going to raise a lot of eyebrows, as well as serious questions.

If utilizing this thread elsewhere, please quote specifically the work of AiT and FREE REPUBLIC, and link to this original thread, where this story has initially appeared (25 May 2010).


1 posted on 05/25/2010 12:56:42 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Tiger, here’s a good one.


2 posted on 05/25/2010 12:57:01 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: mkjessup; SevenofNine; Cindy; Steel Wolf; stephenjohnbanker; Jet Jaguar

Ping!


3 posted on 05/25/2010 12:59:32 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Does Dell sell to China?
Did China sell the Dell computers to N. Korea or did N. Korea buy directly from Dell?


4 posted on 05/25/2010 1:04:32 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy
That is one of the questions I have.

A statement from Dell headquarters in the USA should be forthcoming. They should (or better have) an explanation.

5 posted on 05/25/2010 1:05:31 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Thanks American in Tokyo and thanks for the ping.


6 posted on 05/25/2010 1:06:54 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy; TigerLikesRooster
To make it more nefarious, this is not apparantly the first time DELL in North Korea has been noticed.

It may also be that the North Korean Navy (which attacked and sunk the Cheonan corvette of the South Korean Navy), may well also be a happy customer of DELL Computer, as photos were also shown last year which indicated DELL products. See below. Something really is fishy here, if you ask me; it does not pass the smell test as far as I am initially concerned:

What makes this potentially very damaging is that international intelligence has generally identified the location where the DELL computer were, as a North Korean WMD facility.

7 posted on 05/25/2010 1:13:01 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

That’s interesting.

Looking forward to what Dell has to say about this.


8 posted on 05/25/2010 1:14:19 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: piasa

ping


9 posted on 05/25/2010 1:15:06 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You think Dell can control where their computers get exported by third parties?

Impossible.

Dell’s are sold all over the world. Once purchased by a third party it is impossible to control who the third party transfers it to.


10 posted on 05/25/2010 1:17:23 AM PDT by DB
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To: Cindy
Under Dell's own Export Compliance Assurance Policy (see PDF) they specifically say their products are not to be resold to Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Syria or Sudan".

Hmmmmm....

Explanation, please?

11 posted on 05/25/2010 1:17:44 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Cindy

That’s ridiculous.

Dell has no way to control what third parties do.


12 posted on 05/25/2010 1:19:05 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB
See (my) post 11.

Control Data Corporation in the 1970s (Cyber 76) got in a LOT of trouble over this kind of thing. (So did Toshiba Machinery for that matter).

Merits deep investigation, IMHO.

13 posted on 05/25/2010 1:19:26 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Are you nuts?

You think Dell can control this?

Slandering Dell for nothing they have control over.

You should know better.


14 posted on 05/25/2010 1:20:19 AM PDT by DB
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Ummm....Dell doesn’t have a force of 50,000 mind-reading police that rappel down your walls and come in through your windows if you’re one of the millions of people that have bought a Dell, but you’re thinking of reselling it to North Korea?


15 posted on 05/25/2010 1:21:41 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: DB
How much stock do you own in Dell, might I kindly ask?

Or are you an employee or a supplier?

Why the dramatic response to this thread?

16 posted on 05/25/2010 1:21:55 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
It is possible that they are obtained second-hand from other countries. They are known to import used cars and computers from China and Japan. If those machines are brand new imports, NK could be running some front company to get them or getting them through their friendly intermediaries(of Chinese or other nationality.)

If DELL knew about their brand-new computers heading for N. Korea, now that is a problem.

17 posted on 05/25/2010 1:22:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

A big difference between mainframes and specialized manufacturing equipment, and a consumer commodity.


18 posted on 05/25/2010 1:23:09 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
Thank you for your input.

I suspect this will become an issue (this story).

19 posted on 05/25/2010 1:23:20 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You on some kind of drugs?

Not even remotely the same thing.

There are literally millions of Dell’s sold every year all over the world.

It is impossible for Dell to control exportation of a jellybean computer once sold.


20 posted on 05/25/2010 1:24:04 AM PDT by DB
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Why the dramatic response to this thread?

Because it's so stupid?

21 posted on 05/25/2010 1:24:10 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Those are just the simple questions I am posing, as you have pointed out. (Seeing as they also have these American IT products at the Hamhung Naval Institute, and other military facilities in North Korea—per previous web stories and now these most recent “on the spots”). Would be nice to get a statement or reaction out of Dell.


22 posted on 05/25/2010 1:25:15 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

None of the above.

Just shocked by the stupidity of it.


23 posted on 05/25/2010 1:25:18 AM PDT by DB
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To: Strategerist

So it should not be investigated and delved into futher, is that your position?


24 posted on 05/25/2010 1:26:08 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Dell may have made the thing; I doubt they sold it to the NORKs. I mean, Dells are everywhere.

What if you saw Kim Jong Mentally Ill using “Kleenex”? Would you assume Kleenex is in bed with the NORKs? :)


25 posted on 05/25/2010 1:27:21 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: AmericanInTokyo

He has so many shoppers working for him that he can get any common thing he wants.


26 posted on 05/25/2010 1:28:33 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: AmericanInTokyo

SNIPPET from your link in post no. 11:

http://partnerdirect.dell.com/sites/channel/Terms%20and%20Conditions/Dell%20-%20PartnerDirect%20Terms%20and%20Conditions%20EN%20EMERGING%20COUNTRY.pdf

Quote:

Accordingly, we hereby agree:

- that we will not transfer, export, or re-export, directly or indirectly, any Product(s) acquired from Dell to Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and/or Syria, or any nationals thereof, or to any other country subject to restriction under applicable laws and regulations, and that we are not located in, under the control of, or a national or resident of any such country;

- that we will not use the Product(s) in any activity related to the development, production, use, or maintenance of Weapons of Mass Destruction, as defined by the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, including without limitation, uses related to nuclear, missile, and/or chemical/biological development and or production and that we will not transfer, export, or
re-export, directly or indirectly to any party engaged in any such activity; if we are engaged in the development or production of Weapons of Mass Destruction, we acknowledge that we could be subject to and responsible for U.S. export licensing requirements;

- that we will not transfer, export, or re-export, directly or indirectly to any party listed by the U.S. Government or under any applicable law as prohibited from receiving Product(s) and that we are not on, or under control of anybody on, any such list;


27 posted on 05/25/2010 1:28:40 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I don’t know what to say...

Spend millions investigating the obvious?

Where to start...

There’s only a few BILLION Dell computers in the world...

How could NK have gotten their hands on one... I don’t know...


28 posted on 05/25/2010 1:29:19 AM PDT by DB
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To: AmericanInTokyo

There are 3,555 Dell monitors listed on E-bay at the moment.

Is Dell responsible for tracking who buys all of them and then who they resell them to?

So do you want to pull some investigators off the F-14 parts being sold to Iran investigation and sic them on Dell? Is that your position?


29 posted on 05/25/2010 1:29:38 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Cindy

Thank you, Cindy.


30 posted on 05/25/2010 1:30:25 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Cindy

Gosh...

Someone lied when they checked out...

What to do...

Call the FBI...

This is nuts.


31 posted on 05/25/2010 1:30:40 AM PDT by DB
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To: Strategerist

I’m speechless...

Bizzaroo world...

I’m going to bed.


32 posted on 05/25/2010 1:32:35 AM PDT by DB
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To: Domangart

So what would be the point of sanctions or export controls? Agreed he has an army out there, but he found it increasingly difficult in the 2002-2005 time frame under Bush controls.


33 posted on 05/25/2010 1:33:39 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: DB

...”Owwwwww, oaaawww, My arm hurts! OK Mr. president,,, I give up,,, Uncle! What’s that Swiss bank number again???

...I wonder who the third party could possibly be, they’re soooooo many thugs out in the world today...


34 posted on 05/25/2010 1:34:02 AM PDT by gargoyle (..."I have not yet begun to fight" John Paul Jones...)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Likely bought through multiple cutouts.

Michael Dell himself is an active Republican who’s pointed out that Reaganomics was a critical prerequisite of the ‘80s/90s tech boom.


35 posted on 05/25/2010 1:42:26 AM PDT by E Rocc (The Census form says to use blue or black ink. Methinks *red* ink is more apropos.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Dells suck.


36 posted on 05/25/2010 1:46:51 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Liberals are right. The AZ situation is like Nazi Germany. Mexico is Germany and Arizona is Poland)
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To: NoLibZone
That is neither here nor there.

I brought this up as a legitimate question and as a reference to national security issues. Even the Japanese blogosphere from several months back has questioned this Dell-to-Pyongyang route, title: "DELLが北朝鮮に多数のPCを納入していたことが判明" (Many Dell Computers Procured By North Korean Uncovered")http://news2plus.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-441.html

and was discussed thoroughly, without slinging insults.

All I can surmise is that there were some upset Dell management or employees or stockholders that were disturbed by this story, spouted and went to bed. However, I think it is a story worth getting into, as deeply as possible.

Is not this what Free Republic is all about? Asking legitimate questions and trying to determine facts?

37 posted on 05/25/2010 1:52:06 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Additional photos of other occasion, here:

http://blog-imgs-40.fc2.com/n/e/w/news2plus/20090101_1_1.jpg

38 posted on 05/25/2010 1:54:33 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Greed.


39 posted on 05/25/2010 1:56:19 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: voteNRA

ping to you, too.


40 posted on 05/25/2010 2:03:25 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo
Good thread. If these are coming from a Dell distributor/wholesaler then Dell is in some hot water. Authorized distributors/wholesalers have an obligation under US law to operate under any and all trade restraints deemed appropriate by the US gov't.
Dell, as the parent company is bound to see to it that authorized dealers abide by these restraints.
Where were the items manufactured? I'm thinking assembled in the PRC/CCP. Easy enough to see them going out the door from a dealer there sans paper-work or trade obligations.

Funny responses to this...IMO.
42 posted on 05/25/2010 2:09:56 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: SoFloFreeper; AmericanInTokyo
Dell may have made the thing; I doubt they sold it to the NORKs. I mean, Dells are everywhere.

A box of Kleenex would be of little use in developing nuclear weapons systems.

43 posted on 05/25/2010 2:11:29 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I don't think it's likely that Dell is to blame. Probably someone made an extra hundred dollars per computer through straw purchases that were resold to NK. If we ignore the detail that Dell management probably doesn't want to wake up to the sight of a mushroom cloud outside their bedroom windows, there is the detail that they probably don't want to wake up to the sight of the FBI arresting them. The simplest explanation is a straw purchase, and that is what I will assume in the absence of evidence to the contrary. This is not like a Cray, where the company would know for each individual purchase who wanted the machine and why.

There is a huge difference. I would no more blame Dell for "aiding" NK than I would blame Bic if we discovered that their pens were in use for the NK WMD program.


44 posted on 05/25/2010 2:15:29 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Tainan
Thanks much Tainan. I am a fan of yours.

In one of the Japanese language threads about Dell in North Korea, somebody discussed that they took part in a "Arirang Mass Game" tour of North Korea from China, and at that time while they were in the DPRK, they visited an elementary school. At this location, they saw not only Dells there, they saw Lenovos as well.

They could not determine if the Dells were made in China or not...not enough time with their tour guide in the classroom.

It merits digging I would say. I don't care less if a few toes are stepped on. Computer systems in North Korea are aiming weapons at our troops as we speak, and as long as I have a free voice on Free Republic, I will speak up and report, dammit.

45 posted on 05/25/2010 2:18:08 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
These are serious and legitimate questions you're asking AiT, and the naysaying phuckwits need to give their heads a shake, I appreciate your efforts and if nothing else, this highlights the fact that Pyongyang continues to acquire items useful to their nuclear weapons development that they SHOULD NOT HAVE.

I must admit however, that the visual image of some North Korean nuclear engineer calling up Dell technical support for assistance via some bloody call centre in New Delhi where the Dell representative's first words of advice are "To correct this problem, we must re-format your hard drive and reinstall Windows", now THAT is the stuff of great comedy skits! lol

Have a great day AiT!
46 posted on 05/25/2010 2:18:58 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: DB
I'm going to bed

Have Mommy tuck you in with your little Kim Jong Il doll.

Sweet dreams.
47 posted on 05/25/2010 2:20:22 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup

Well, that gave me a GOOD laugh, too. We can all laugh on this thread at the humor you just presented (in purple typeface), regardless of where we stand on this issue. I just ask we be civil about it.


48 posted on 05/25/2010 2:21:59 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Pollster1

Thank you for your perspective.


49 posted on 05/25/2010 2:23:18 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Interesting - but you are looking at a monitor. Not a computer. Not much regulation on computer monitors (or TV-sets, for that matter) I think.


50 posted on 05/25/2010 2:29:02 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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