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1 posted on 07/03/2010 2:56:18 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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Meanwhile, Landis sits on the sidelines of the Tour de France, watching with envy.

I think that's pretty much the root of the matter.
2 posted on 07/03/2010 3:01:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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I hadn’t really noticed this guy Landis before. Evidently one of those “everybody does it” kind of rat finks. With his record, his credibility is zero.


3 posted on 07/03/2010 3:09:16 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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I use to really like Floyd BUT he screwed up- Cheated. Lance has been tested more than any human and todays result shows he is in great condition. Floyd just may have given Lance some added motivation.


5 posted on 07/03/2010 3:17:34 PM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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Landis is disgraced. What's in it for him to say all this other than wanting to be completely clean of it. It's either that or he's mentally ill.
7 posted on 07/03/2010 3:19:02 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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Landis called doping in cycling "systematic," in a Wall Street Journal report.
Um..I think he means "systemic".
9 posted on 07/03/2010 3:26:39 PM PDT by Krankor
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Dopey


21 posted on 07/03/2010 3:49:38 PM PDT by OCC
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I've been into cycling for 30 years, and I am a big L. Armstrong fan... but the truth is, cycling might just be the most drug influenced sport of all. If you know anyone involved in "real" cycling, they will tell you.

I have thought and said that LA was different, because he was able to remold his body specifically for cycling, after he went through his cancer treatments. I have seen such a thing before, a friend who had, through illness, lost 50 lbs, gained back 80 lbs of solid muscle because his body was in a super anabolic state (naturally).. but anyways, if it turns out that LA actually DID do stuff, I wont be surprised.

And for those who talk about all the testing done, the REAL money in drugs for athletes is reserved for the chemists who can figure out ways to MASK the usage of the PED. I used to know such a guy, via the internet that is.. was arrested in a national story...

23 posted on 07/03/2010 4:12:16 PM PDT by Paradox (Socialism - trickle up poverty.)
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You have to ask yourself, How does Landis have NEW allegations?

I mean, even if you presumed Landis would ever tell the truth (which i don’t, not after defending him when he insisted he was innocent, and being burned when he finally confessed), how can he have NEW allegations about what happened years ago?

My point: Landis came out last year and made claims against Armstrong. So, why didn’t he reveal THESE allegations at that point? Why did he hide some of the things he knew, once he was “telling all”?

It’s bad enough to be asked to believe that a known liar is now “coming clean”. But to be asked to believe, 6 months later, that he really DIDN’T ‘come clean’ before, but NOW is “coming clean”, is too much to bear.

I expect that every 4 months, Landis will tell us MORE things that Armstrong and others did, in hopes of keeping his name in the spotlight. How else can you explain why Landis didn’t tell us these new allegations months ago, except that he is making them up to get in the news?


31 posted on 07/03/2010 6:21:26 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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There is such a thing as "preponderance of evidence" that must come into play in circumstances like this. WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) has been in existence since 1999 as an independent organization growing out of the International Olympics Committee (IOC). It has made independent, unannounced visits to Lance Armstrong (LA) in Texas and elsewhere all during his professional career. He hasn't failed one of these tests yet so unless you believe that there is such a conspiracy of silence and bribes for all of these tests then either LA is doing undetectable drugs or he is not.

After every stage of every professional bike race, the winner and random riders are tested by the race organizers and local jurisdiction legal authorities (at least in Europe). Given the prize money from even a single stage win, a positive drug test is equivalent to grand theft. LA has been on the French top 10 list for so long that I think he is probably the most tested individual in the world (you realize that France hasn't had a TdF winner in 20+ years?!)

Is it possible that LA has doped himself to win - I cannot (and neither can anyone else) prove a negative. Doping is a game of cat&mouse with the testing always a step behind the latest doping ability. However, even with the supposed positive test on a multi-year old LA blood test, there have been sufficient reasonable doubts about the honesty of the testers and the testing conditions to allow a first year law student to get it thrown out of any unbiased court!

A final quick statement about LA. he first won the Tour in 1999 when his US Postal Team was poor and barely in the top class of teams. 1999 was the year when Ulrich and Pantani were serving drug suspensions and so there was strong testing even then by the race itself. I cannot, myself, believe that he could do all of this for this long without being detected.

33 posted on 07/03/2010 6:54:14 PM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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