Skip to comments.Patriot vs. Well Meaning Census Worker
Posted on 07/15/2010 7:50:40 PM PDT by Lucky9teen
Got this from my brother in law...
Today, a Census worker visited my home because I didn't complete the form that I sent in earlier this year. I filmed our conversation and tried to tell him about my deep concerns regarding the Census questionnaire and what I see as an unconstitutional overreach.
Here is how this nice, well meaning, but misinformed man reacted. It's a bit long, but it's worth the watch; especially the portions where he admits to being administered the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, but also admits he hasn't ever read the whole thing, and even the stuff he had read was a long time ago.
Here are the links to the three part video:
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I don’t waste my time trying to explain anything about freedom, liberty, and the Constitution to a government worker. At least 95% of the time they are not intelligent enough to understand and the rest of the time they have been in the government too long to care.
A Ron Paulite
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Did not bother to look at the videos... You are right in NOT giving information other that is required by law... Otherwise, you are just providing information that will support their liberal cause...sorry, a opinion...
Really getting tired of their outlandish government stabs at illegal action... They (who do this) should all be fired!
I did the same thing, answered only the first question and refused the rest. I also printed and gave the lackey this article.
The Census form is short this year. You fellas need to just answer the basic questions (especially for geneological research in the future) and let these people do their jobs. Every time you make it hard, you just cause the government to spend more money with more visits, phone calls, etc. as they check with your neighbors and anyone else they can find to get the information. The money is coming out of YOUR pocket. Some of this overreaction is beyond the pale.
The Census worker expounded on how wonderful the Census was for those that wish to find out more about their ancestry ...
Like: How many toilets did my ancestors have, anyway?
Bump that. I can confirm every word, as census has been essential to me in family history research. People are making fools of themselves and a non-issue in resisting answering the very basic questions which will be sealed for 72 years. Get a grip, folks.
Heh...yeah, works for me, and I have a grip! Maybe you need one...geez...
She was polite, and so was I.
The questions were less intrusive and less “offensive” than the standard medical forms recently presented to me by an eye doctor.
The Feds already know my exact income. I file my tax forms every year.
People need to calm down, and get serious.
Those who try to whip up contempt against the Census should be scrutinized closely.
I expect them to turn out to be an unholy mixture of libertarians, anarchists, and socialists. All of whom wallow in their self-serving ignorance of factual reality.
Yeah, it's not like the Japanese in WWII were rounded up based on the census info collected only a year or two earlier, or anything...
No, I don’t but occasionally I waste time trying to speak facts and rationality to those who are not interested.
No, I don’t but occasionally I waste time trying to speak facts and rationality to those who are not interested.
Well, maybe when they ask who is here illegally and who is not, I might have more respect. After all, these numbers effect how my percent is going to be voting... Nothing good come from hiding the census figures...
Maybe you should question why they ask such questions?
We don't answer the front door for Anybody,,,
A woman was going to a few doors a while back,,,
It mite have been that “house call” krap,,,
I was open carrying out back to walk my yorkie,,,
She saw us,,, She just got in her car and left,,,
Ain't heard another word...
I am one of those who only answered question #1 (how many live at this address as of April 1) and #9 -- race = American. All other questions I answered as N/A. I have since received 2 notices on July 12 & 13, on my door, from a Census worker named Amber A. I am personally looking forward to a face-face visit because she (or he) will get a can of whoop ass opened up on them. I will ask for 3 forms of photo ID, social security number, birth certificate, in fact where is 0b0z0's birth certificate, why did he list his race as black when he is half black & half white? Then we will commence with me reading the Declaration of Independence and then move on to the Constitution & Amendments, and then quotes from our Founding Fathers.
Which brings me to your comment listed above in italics.....the Census form states emphatically that all information & answers are confidential. If that is the case, then how is it that you are able to access Census information for family history research? The information is supposed to be confidential & is not to be given out. You said it is sealed for 72 years and then released? Where is the purpose listed in the Constitution that the information is available for family research? Another bone of contention is that the Census is supposedly to allocate money based on race or gender? Again, where is that listed or found in the Constitution? I did not see that listed at all in Article I, Section 2.
Causing the government to spend more money with more visits? The government under 0b0z0 has rung up record deficits of $2.1 Trillion in the last 18 months. I doubt the Census portion amounts to a hundredth of a decimal point of the spending juggernut. In any case, there is rampant corruption & double dipping already involved by having Census workers submit for full days of reimbursement when they are only working 3-4 hours in some cases.
I don't have a problem with the Census at all, as laid out in the Constitution. But I will not answer any intrusive or invasive question or race related questions.
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My ancestors didn’t live here. my grandfather walked across a bridge from Canada. Grandmother was already here with kid in tow??? I rely on cemetery headstones and church records from ireland and germany in order to recreate my ancestry. no morman’s praying for me! therefore the extra ? are not needed from my point of view. Currently I’m an undocumented worker.
La Enchiladita: Bump that. I can confirm every word, as census has been essential to me in family history research. People are making fools of themselves and a non-issue in resisting answering the very basic questions which will be sealed for 72 years. Get a grip, folks.
Neither one of you know what you're talking about. Census 2010 is a gross violation of census law and the civil rights of hundeds of millions of people.
If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
Learn: Census 2010 and the Law.
Almost everybody here is right! What do we put up with this crap! It is all about liberty and why should we allow ourselves to become slaves to these federal questioners?
Actually I now know the answer - we shouldn’t! I am just amazed and angry that I answered these questions before I knew that I should not have...damn! I get angry just thinking about it... (I’m ashamed that I went along with their questions without understanding...).
Damn all of this intrusion into our private lives!
You constitutional rights argument is overidden by this from Romans 13:1 -- Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
And this -- Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same;
Romans 13:4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil.
I truly understand the disgust with the present government. However, that doesn't call for rebellion against EVERY government function like I'm beginning to see. That's foolish. The way to change the country is to first change yourself. If the people in this nation will turn to God, then the government will again have a solid foundation like it used to have. The reason it is going poorly is because the people are not following God. How can one expect a person who is immoral, lies, cheats and/or steals to elect an official to office who is better than the individual? It's not going to happen. The only way around that is to become the "governing authority" and maybe you're ready to do that. I'm not.
Census data is also big business. I don't recall giving the gov't permission to sell mine.
Census data was instrumental in rounding up 110,000 citizens & residents, forcing them into US concentration camps, and confiscating their property.
Oh, you don’t know about that part of US history?
Never again - which starts with not providing that data.
The Constitution requires a headcount. Anything else, by the 4th Amendment, requires a warrant.
If it’s not that big a deal as you say, than accept my lack of participation (beyond headcount), cope, and leave me alone.
The $5000 fine for non participation, without a compelling Constitutional basis and without a warrant, tells me someone has ill intent.
The “confidentiality” is a matter of a simple majority.
Took Congress 4 days to go from Pearl Harbor to using Census data to round up citizens for incarceration based on race.
“Stroke of a pen, law of the land. Pretty cool.”
Is that information so precious that its worth using police powers to levy a $5000 fine for non participation? If so, then it must be valuable - pay me for it.
My research shows that in 1943, census info re Japanese Americans was released per request from President Roosevelt. The allegation that it was used to "round up" the Japanese comes from Michelle Bachmann. If you will recall, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941, killing thousands of Americans, and they were our enemies during WWII.
Since then (67 yrs ago), the no other breaches of census confidentiality have been found. If I may ask you, did you refuse to complete your census form on the basis of the 1943 disclosure? If so, was that allowed by the U.S. Census Bureau? I'm just wondering here how that would work.
As for sympathy towards Japanese during WWII, you will see on the anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that when photos are posted on FR of the devastation, there are those here who gloat over the destruction. I am not one of those. I'm only pointing it out because using Japanese-Americans during WWII as a sympathetic group is in direct contrast with the glee over using the A-bomb on Japanese civilians that I've seen from conservatives.
Well then, you need to contact your elected representative and propose legislation that would allow more flexibility in cooperating or not with the census. Perhaps someone could devise a formula of making an “educated guess” in the absence of being provided information.
Census information that is older than 72 years is accessible.
I don't have a problem with the Census at all, as laid out in the Constitution.
Does the Constitution detail the information to be collected in the Census?
My research shows that, although Pearl Harbor was bombed in 1941, the request for census data on Japanese Americans was not made until 1943 because of a personal threat vs. President Roosevelt. However, by that time, Japanese Americans had already been relocated to internment camps, per executive order in February 1942.
So, request for census data was not used for internment purposes. The request pertained only to Japanese and Japanese Americans living in the Washington D.C. area. Again, I am not an expert on this but this is what research reveals.
Unlike other assertions made by Bill Lindner, the author of the blog entry, no link or documentation is provided for this. Also, looking through Lindner's info and biblio, he seems like an Art-Bell-Coast-to-Coast kind of guy: conspiracies everywhere!!!!
Logical disconnect. American Citizens who happened to be on Japanese heritage vs. Japanese citizens whom we were at war with. It was and remains a very bad idea to lock up American citizens for no other reason than their race.
And I think glee over the A-Bombs is the wrong description. It was, and in my mind, remains a matter of relief that those weapons ended the war and we did not have to endure another battle of Okinawa or Iwo Jima. Many of us Boomers may have never had the opportunity to even be born if that horrible war had dragged on for another year or two. I might add that the Japanese population would have suffered even worse if not for the bombs.
This government has completely rejected God and is going to pay the price. Unfortunately, seems like the majority of the nation has also rejected God and is subject to the same consequences. We have the kind of government the majority deserve...they brought it on themselves by CHOICE.
1 Peter 2:18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are unreasonable.
Michelle Bachmann did make that allegation, however it was in fact accurate.
See for instance this article that appeared in the New York Times in 2000: http://www.seattlepi.com/national/cens17.shtml
Then in 2007, new documents released by the government showed that the census was involved more than had been previously admitted: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-03-30-census-role_N.htm ... quote: The Census Bureau turned over confidential information including names and addresses to help the Justice Department, Secret Service and other agencies identify Japanese-Americans during World War II, according to government documents released today.
Seeing as both of these were found in the first page of a Bing search for "japan census used for internment" and within the first 3 pages of the same search on Google, I would suggest your "research" method is somewhat faulty.
You are deliberately ignoring the timeline I discovered and specific locales.
And regarding whether the Constitution details the information to be collected in the Census, yes it does, in Article I, section 2 -- it is for an enumeration (or counting) every ten years, for the sole purpose of determining House of Representative representation according to the population counted. There is nothing about race or gender or name or telephone number or housing, etc. So the ONLY thing that was legitimate & constitutional in the current census form was question #1...How many people reside at the residence as of April 1.
ps. I just got back from the weekend. I did not see any more notices of a census worker stopping by. Maybe they will be back this week....I hope so!!!
The first census of the United States was conducted in 1790. For that enumeration, the name of the Head of Household was recorded and the numbers of people living in that household broken down by age group, sex, and whether free or not. Electors could only be free male adults, and usually a property requirement. For the purposes of congressional representation, free persons counted more than slaves. The name of the Head of Household was required to ensure that a proper count had been done. That system, with changes in age groupings continued through 1840.
In 1850, for the first time, the names of all free members of a household were recorded. A separate slave schedule was also prepared. Other information was also provided including age, place of birth, birthplace of parents, value of property, etc. Over the years the information collected has varied but has included name, age, place of birth. Since the census is frequently the only public record that contains this information organized by family groups, this data has become very important for family research.
The census is a public record, but it is embargoed for 72 years in order to protect the private information of the adults enumerated in the census year. The 1930 census became available in 2002, 1940 will be released in 2012 (An interesting Census, the last before all of the demographic changes of WWII). Many other public records are available at your local court house, some of it embargoed and some not. Depends on local and state laws. Most people know the names of their parents and grandparents. Beyond that it gets sketchy depending on the family. That’s where the census has proven to be invaluable.
The Constitution requires enumeration, whether or not that other information can be collected is the question. Certainly, these days the government knows much more about you than is contained on the census form. You can bet that when you apply for that Social Security Check and Medicare you are going to be giving the government lots of private information. I don’t have a problem with the current form, but the periodic survey is another matter. Although administered by the Census Bureau, its not the enumeration.
Regarding the type of information that is requested and the history of the census, which you laid out very nicely, I thank you and appreciate it.
That being said, I will still answer question #1 - how many reside at this household as of April 1, and #9 - race = American. And since I can't stand the commie pig 0b0z0 chief usurper-in-crap, or the socialist demoRAT pigs in office & their orwellian bureaucracies, I am looking forward to opening up a can of whoop ass on the poor census worker, beginning with a rant against 0b0z0 and his missing long form birth certificate, his inability to get a U.S. passport until 2004 when he became a U.S. senator, his missing academic records, his multiple social security numbers, etc. Does the census worker have anything to do with 0b0z0's missing information? Of course not. I'm just looking forward to a good old fashioned ranting and ass whooping on the fed "gubmint"!