[B-Chan]

even well trained soldiers will have a hard time obeying an order to shoot their own UNARMED countrymen.

You're fooling yourself. The training and indoctrination used in our armed forces is essentially foolproof. Our guys will follow orders, period. If the order is to shoot you or me, you or I will be shot.

Whiskey Rebellion, Bonus Army, Kent State, Waco...

[fr_freak]

The training and indoctrination used in our armed forces is essentially foolproof. Our guys will follow orders, period. If the order is to shoot you or me, you or I will be shot.

I was an Army grunt. I disagree with your assessment. I'd say the 50% number is roughly correct. The guys that go into the service don't become robots because of any indoctrination. They hold the same values and morals that they came in with, albeit with a broader perspective. I have faith that at least half would refuse blatantly unlawful orders, especially when directed at American citizens.

Now, the LEOs, on the other hand...

[Rashputin]

Our guys will follow orders, period. If the order is to shoot you or me, you or I will be shot

Only a grunt really understans the meaning of, "better you than me Mike Foxtrot". Regards

[El Gato]

Whiskey Rebellion, Bonus Army, Kent State, Waco...

Whiskey Rebellion was before the Posse Commitatus act, and the perfectly lawful use of troops, mostly militia, was led in the field by President Washington himself.

Bonus Army action was shameful and likely illegal, but there were unintended results from what was supposed to be merely a crowd control action. I'd blame MacArthur mostly.

Kent State was national guard acting under *state* orders, where their use to enforce the law is perfectly legal and exempt from Posse Commitatus. (See Art. 1 section 8 which reads in part: Congress shall have the power ... To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions

Waco was Texas Guard equipment operated (mostly) by FBI, under false pretenses. (IOW the governor was lied to by the FBI, who was lied to by the BATFE).