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To: Jack Hydrazine; kbennkc; JPG; HerrBlucher; datura; Erasmus; fhayek; SirJohnBarleycorn; Cboldt

The key to understanding the puzzle is in understanding to what level the “observer” is neutral.

That is, with sub-atomic particles, “watching” them is not the equivalent of a person watching a football game on a television, live. The observer in the latter case has practically no effect on the outcome of the game. However, in the former case, “observation” implies interference because there is no way of observing a sub-atomic particle without affecting the particle, directly. In other words, if you were to imagine the electron as a ball, in darkness, the very act of shining a hypothetical “light” to detect its reflection off of the “electron” has an effect on the electron itself. That is the scale we’re talking about here.


20 posted on 07/24/2010 7:33:46 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
Would heavy betting affect the outcome?
23 posted on 07/24/2010 7:37:09 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: James C. Bennett
there is no way of observing a sub-atomic particle without affecting the particle, directly. In other words, if you were to imagine the electron as a ball, in darkness, the very act of shining a hypothetical “light” to detect its reflection off of the “electron” has an effect on the electron itself. That is the scale we’re talking about here.

Which begs the question - what is the "light" we're shining?

28 posted on 07/24/2010 7:50:36 PM PDT by GOPJ (..Liberalism is Intolerance..- - Freeper Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: James C. Bennett
The observer in the latter case has practically no effect on the outcome of the game. However, in the former case, “observation” implies interference because there is no way of observing a sub-atomic particle without affecting the particle

Except that in the double-slit experiment we are observing the outcome of both cases in the exact same way.

In other words, our manner of interfering in order to observe the outcome of the experiment is no different in the case that results in the wave manifestation than in the case that results in the particle manifestation. In both cases, we are observing by measuring the impact of the electrons or photons on a screen after having passed through the slit or slits, in the same way.

So the different results cannot be explained by a difference in the way we are interfering in order to observe.

51 posted on 07/24/2010 9:17:40 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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