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Something is really starting to stink at the NRA. They have done things in the past that I did not like but now they are in bed with the forces of evil.

Am I wrong?

1 posted on 07/26/2010 3:45:31 PM PDT by fuzzybutt
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To: fuzzybutt

Last month, my NRA monthly mag America’s First Freedom, had an article praising Reid. Let’s just say I am not happy about that. (hurl hurl)


2 posted on 07/26/2010 3:48:38 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty (Everytime a democrat loses, a Moonbat gets its wings burned off.)
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To: fuzzybutt

Sold out. I guess they are. Easy prey for Obama.


3 posted on 07/26/2010 3:49:09 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: fuzzybutt
Oh, you've gone and done it now.

Let me get the heck out of here before the flaming starts.

4 posted on 07/26/2010 3:57:49 PM PDT by OKSooner ("Don't let making a living prevent you from making a life." - Coach John Wooden)
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To: fuzzybutt
So what is making me wonder about the NRA?

They're selling us out for a few pieces of silver. It's about getting new democrats to sign up as members ($$$). It's like Churches preaching political correctness in order to fill their collection plates. It's about money, not principal.
They have every right to do that, but that doesn't mean their current fiscal supporters have to remain fiscal supporters.
Supporting Reid is a huge, huge red flag - and a warning.

5 posted on 07/26/2010 3:57:59 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: fuzzybutt

NRA has a big shiny building just like AAA. Both suck!


6 posted on 07/26/2010 3:58:37 PM PDT by omega4179 (PREVIEW IS MY FRIEND)
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To: fuzzybutt

The NRA started selling out gun owners decades ago. The final straw for me was when the NRA sold out veterans with the NICS “improvement” act. I was just about at my break-away point with them, but that was the straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak.

There are really good gun rights organizations out there and really bad ones (the NRA). Spend some time researching them and make your own decision about who you want to support.

http://nrawol.net/

Keep in mind that most staunch pro-NRA people here are either very old and are remembering a time when the NRA actually fought for gun rights and actively ignore anything which doesn’t fit into their perception of what this once fine organization was, or they support “reasonable” / “common senese” gun control. I have no use for either type since both types support gun control.


8 posted on 07/26/2010 4:22:54 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: fuzzybutt
Here is what I think the NRA has missed, Liberty is not, cannot be, a “one issue” movement.

You cannot have some unalienable rights. You were either born a free a man by the grace and intention of God, or you are begging for scraps.

The 2nd Amendment cannot exist in a vacuum, where all rights are not respected. Any such gain is only temporary.

9 posted on 07/26/2010 4:25:59 PM PDT by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: AvOrdVet

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12 posted on 07/26/2010 4:43:25 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: fuzzybutt

Am not renewing my membership this month and trash all mail that comes from them


13 posted on 07/26/2010 4:45:51 PM PDT by crosstimbers
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To: fuzzybutt

The 2A is an immutable law, like gravity, and it will stand th test of time with or without the NRA.

The notion that the NRA is needed to “defend” the 2A is a specious one. Never have there been so many gun laws, adversely affecting so many Americans. If the NRA was as successful as they claim, citizens could carry in places like Chicago, NYC and CA.

(and I say this is as an NRA member....but one who is going to let their membership expire)


14 posted on 07/26/2010 5:03:43 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Anti-Gunners suffer from Factose Intolerance)
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To: fuzzybutt; crosstimbers; SaraJohnson; SampleMan; Dayman; TheConservativeParty

My problems with the NRA start with their support of John McCain in the primary for senator. No conservative organization should endorse him. Besides his problems of granting amnesty to illegal aliens and restricting freedom of speech, he is severely deficient in the areas of national security and integrity.

John McCain lacks leadership for the War on Terror. His leadership codified the Army interrogation manual making terrorists legal combatants. His leadership granted terrorists American citizenship rights under Fifth, Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments. He thereby ensures information vital to defeat terrorists remains sacred and unobtainable. Terrorists are unresponsive to direct questioning and psychological gambits. Therefore, interrogators need all stress and coercion techniques our military encounters in survival schools. McCain embraces liberal orthodoxy considering those methods torture, but his searing experiences call forth contrary insights he must suppress.

McCain understands the impossibility of fabricating an association of terrorists with Common Article Three of the Geneva Conventions, when they participate in international armed conflict, lack pacific character in regard to hostilities, and do not meet any definition of legitimate armed forces. Instead he understands that Article 13 of the First and Second Geneva Conventions and Article Three of the Fourth Convention must be consulted. McCain knows terrorists are not insurgents or freedom fighters; when captured, certainly not prisoners of war. They are not armed forces, militias, or volunteer corps of any country or authority. These killers are not members of organized resistance movements carrying arms openly. They have no distinctive identifier. Terrorists cannot even qualify as spies or saboteurs destroying infrastructure required to support military operations.

McCain understands Geneva Conventions intended to isolate such forces, provide them few protections, and allow destruction with any overwhelming furies needed to crush their abominations. Knowing these factors he promised to close Guantanamo Bay, inviting terrorists into our legal system. He decided to accommodate their extraordinarily savage behavior within our country, and thereby checkmate national laws intended to manage simple murder and kidnapping, and render Posse Comitatus a crumbling deception.

McCain especially appreciates from our Constitution that laws guaranteeing civil liberties presuppose operation within an invincible society. He understands Alexander Hamilton’s words that the reality of devastating, unforeseeable perils must lead deliberations about national security. The primary responsibility of the Federal government’s three branches is to pursue Hamilton’s admonition that powers exist without limitation; providing capabilities thwarting looming dangers as well as responding to attacks. McCain understands powerful warfare capabilities require potent intelligence acquisition and exploitation before and throughout military campaigns.

The framers of our Constitution and the Geneva Conventions held powerful positions throughout the darkest times of our country and the world. They were our Founding Fathers, and parents and grandparents of the Greatest Generation. Their words expressed durable morality earned in our fight for freedom, and against the ultimate bloody deluges of the 20th century. These first generations expressed principles derived from confronting shattering tragedies, and earning peace through victory.

John McCain’s actions are particularly reprehensible because he turns a blind eye to the council of these people. McCain continually seeks popular advancement on national security issues by placating those coveting luxurious, asymmetrical morality requiring shelter from perilous choices and awareness of danger. His crime is repudiating military and intelligence professionals facing hard choices when confronting shrewd, ruthless enemies obscured behind frightening uncertainties.

McCain displays a boundless absence of integrity as he follows the success of Bill Clinton, who cemented in politics for both parties the idea that character did not matter. There are no principles, but only ideas that secure possession of an office. John McCain is the most prominent Republican example of this new direction towards possession of political power through careful exploitation of perceived expediency.

Politics is the art of compromise and leadership is the art of principle. Abraham Lincoln used superb political skills to implement some of the most cogent and insightful principles to guide this nation. John McCain has used political skills to implement compromises consistent with increasing his personal acclaim among liberal media and politicians. Lincoln is now dead and McCain is alive, but dead to principles unrelated to his immediate personal advancement. He is now using this aspect of his character to proclaim profound revelations concerning the value of conservative principles. The current effort to deceive Arizona voters that he opposes amnesty, while his political history emphasizes the contrary is just a recent example of his habitual, reprehensible behavior.

John McCain succumbed to the terrible addiction of political power. The same addiction expressed itself differently in fellow Navy officer Randy Cunningham, who was the Navy’s first Vietnam ace. Over the decades the honor and moral authority of both were gradually traded away for influence in the political arena. There is a vast, immeasurable gulf separating John McCain from the genuine people who dealt with the issues sponsoring the Geneva Conventions and our Constitution. He much more equates with the parasites now feeding upon the prosperity and security so painfully forged for their benefit. We now suffer imposters like him with such extraordinary mental athletic prowess as to scale unheard of heights of arrogance and studied ignorance and achieve unparalleled duplicity.

To me McCain is like a cadaver prepared for viewing. The removal of blood and organs equates to the trading away of honor and moral authority. The reputation that remains is like the cosmetics applied for viewing a corpse at the funeral. It is easy for anyone to get onto the same sort of gently downward sloping path. The final result is tragic, but we should not suffer such pathetic and contemptible modern day Macbeths or Hamlets as Republicans in the Senate or any other public office.
The NRA also endorsed Harry Reid in Nevada. The club seems to be stuck with the NRA, because of liability insurance. I do not appreciate having to suffer such shallow, morally bewildered leadership from an organization I am forced to join as a gun club member.

P.S. I did send this letter to the NRA.


15 posted on 07/26/2010 5:12:49 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: fuzzybutt

I think the backdoor deal was for all f these phoney endorcements. They are forever killing their power for the democrats. They will not be getting another dime from me. If they get their senses back maybe someday but they hav really ticked me offby endorcing our awful democrat Governor here in Ohio.


18 posted on 07/26/2010 5:46:08 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: fuzzybutt

Yes, you should be mad at them. The damage to pro-life groups alone if Pelosi gets what she wants will cost the lives of small children all over this country. Being a one-issue org doesn’t give you the right to sell other people down the river.


20 posted on 07/26/2010 6:18:35 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: fuzzybutt

E-mail I sent to a few people:

Sheesh! This outfit is not getting one more red cent from me until I get resolved in my mind whose fugging side they’re on. Honestly, they cannot possibly mention Harry Reid in any kind of favorable manner and stay in good graces with their membership. After ZERO (0bama), Harry Reid is almost the next most despicable specimen of human life there is to be found on this planet. He is a communist and does not give a rat’s ass about the Second Amendment, or for that matter much anything else in the constitution.

Keep an eye on this... there may be more to come. For reference, the article is on page 36 of the NRA’s publication America’s 1st Freedom magazine June 2010 issue and the title is A real Home On The Range. It’s basically about pork barrel spending by Harry Reid to get a nice range in Nevada in the interest of prostituting for votes. I will save it. I am personally disappointed that the NRA lowered themselves in this manner.

God help us all.


23 posted on 07/26/2010 7:16:30 PM PDT by DE50AE
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To: fuzzybutt

You are totally wrong. They didn’t make any deal with Nancy Pelosi. The democrats exempted them from DISCLOSE. People on this board keep claiming that NRA made a deal, even though LaPierre denied it every time he was asked.

I was speaking to Allen West about the complaints from so called conservatives concerning DISCLOSE and NRA. He answered very simply.

“Have they ever heard of Saul Alinsky?”

Yes, they have. They think that Rules For Radicals was talking about someone other than them. They can’t even see that they got played.


25 posted on 07/26/2010 8:00:12 PM PDT by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!!!)
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