Posted on 08/01/2010 5:20:26 AM PDT by twister881
LLS
"To: Rebelbase
Well, not according to the official investigation. THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED but focused on a power surge in the changing from external to onboard (the aircraft) power. There seems to be an equipment failure history and procedures that weren't exactly followed. I don't think that there was a accusation that McCain was at fault (except by McCain haters of course). A MISSILE FROM HIS F4 DID FIRE PREMATURELY AND HIT ANOTHER AIRCRAFT. There was a major investigation that resulted in many changes in the staging procedures, fire fighting equipment and damage control procedures on board carriers. The lesson learned from that accident is still taught today in boot camp and various Damage control schools.
106 posted on Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:59:50 PM by WHBates [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 94 | View Replies | Report Abuse]"
LLS
Goodness, Hillary was very close to having a wardrobe malfunction in that photo,,,she is wearing a bra though which is tackily showing.
Oscar D did her cranberry wedding mother of the bride dress which I understand was great. Guess she found this green number in her closet; no designer has claimed it yet that I have heard.
Loved Chelsea’s dress (Vera Wang) and her veil also.
Best wishes to Chelsea and Marc. As Brendan Behan(an Irish writer)used to say:
F*** the begrudgers!
McCain flew an A4 Skyhawk.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
“Fire
About 10:50 (local time) on 29 July, while preparations for the second strike of the day were being made, an unguided 5.0 in (127.0 mm) Mk-32 “Zuni” rocket, one of four contained in a LAU-10 underwing rocket pod mounted on a McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II, was accidentally fired due to an electrical power surge during the switch from external power to internal power.
A drawing of the stern of Forrestal showing the spotting of aircraft at the time. Likely source of the Zuni was F-4 No. 110. White's and McCain's aircraft are in the right hand circle. The rocket flew across the flight deck, striking a wing-mounted external fuel tank on a Douglas A-4 Skyhawk awaiting launch,[1] either aircraft No. 405, piloted by LCDR Fred D. White,[2] or No. 416, piloted by LCDR John McCain.[6] The warhead's safety mechanism prevented it from detonating, but the impact tore the tank off the wing and ignited the resulting spray of escaping JP-5 fuel, causing an instantaneous conflagration. Other external fuel tanks overheated and ruptured, releasing more jet fuel to feed the flames which spread along the flight deck, leaving pilots in their aircraft with the options of being incinerated in their cockpits or running through the flames to escape. LCDR White leaped from his burning aircraft but was killed instantly (along with many firefighters) by the cooking off of the first bomb. LCDR Herbert A. Hope of VA-46 (and operations officer of CVW-17) jumped out of the cockpit of his Skyhawk between explosions, rolled off the flight deck and into the starboard man-overboard net. Making his way down below to the hangar deck, he took command of a firefighting team. “The port quarter of the flight deck where I was”, he recalled, “is no longer there.”[1] With his aircraft surrounded by flames, McCain escaped by climbing out of the cockpit, walking down the nose and jumping off the refueling probe.
The impact of the Zuni dislodged two of the 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs (World War II-vintage AN-M65s[4][5]), which lay in the burning fuel. The fire team's chief, Gerald Farrier (without benefit of protective clothing) immediately smothered the bombs with a PKP fire extinguisher in an effort to knock down the fuel fire long enough to allow the pilots to escape. According to their training, the fire team normally had almost three minutes to reduce the temperature of the bombs to a safe level, but the chief did not realize the “Comp. B” bombs were already critically close to cooking-off until one split open. The chief, knowing a lethal explosion was imminent, shouted for the fire team to withdraw but the bomb exploded seconds later - only one and a half minutes after the start of the fire.[7]
The detonation destroyed McCain's aircraft (along with its remaining fuel and armament), blew a crater in the armored flight deck, and sprayed the deck and crew with shrapnel and burning jet fuel. It killed the on-deck firefighting contingent, with the exception of three men who survived with critical injuries. The two bomb-laden A-4s in line ahead of McCain's were riddled with shrapnel and engulfed in the flaming jet fuel still spreading over the deck, causing more bombs to detonate and more fuel to spill.
Nine bomb explosions occurred on the flight deck, eight caused by the “Comp. B” bombs and the ninth occurred as a sympathetic detonation between an old bomb and a newer H6 bomb. The explosions tore large holes in the armored flight deck, causing flaming jet fuel to drain into the interior of the ship, including the living quarters directly underneath the flight deck, and the below-decks aircraft hangar.
Sailors and Marines controlled the flight deck fires by 12:15, and continued to clear smoke and to cool hot steel on the 02 and 03 levels until all fires were under control by 13:42. They finally declared the fire defeated at 04:00 the next morning, due to additional flare-ups.[1]
Throughout the day the ship’s medical staff worked in dangerous conditions to assist their comrades. HM2 Paul Streetman, one of 38 corpsmen assigned to the carrier, spent over 11 hours on the mangled flight deck tending to his shipmates. The large number of casualties quickly overwhelmed the ship’s Sick Bay staff, and Forrestal was escorted by USS Henry W. Tucker (DD-875) to rendezvous with hospital ship USS Repose (AH-16) at 20:54, allowing the crew to begin transferring the dead and wounded at 22:53.[1]”
This next piece is from aviationforum.com:
“The claim has been made:
“Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately ‘wet-started’ his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4. ‘Wet-starts’, done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.
“134 sailors were killed on the USS Forrestal in 1967.
It is believed by many crewmen and investigators that John McCain deliberately ‘wet-started’ his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. ‘Wet-starts’ shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.
In McCain's case, the ‘wet-start’ apparently ‘cooked off’ and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions.”
There are You-Tube videos of witnesses to the event. I guess we will never know what truly happened.
LLS
Rumor has it that White House staff members were seen milling about at the reception looking for the missing WH silverware.
:)
Nonsense.
AAARGH!
What an old yenta Hillary has become!
In McCain's case, the ‘wet-start’ apparently ‘cooked off’ and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions.
Not likely.
Source: http://pbma.nasa.gov/docs/public/pbma/images/msm/forrestal_sfcs.pdf
LLS
That’s what I’ve seen. Maybe you have seen differently.
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