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To: conimbricenses

Hamilton never schemed for war with England. That is an outright falsehood. He was against ANY war at that time because: 1) we could not afford it; 2) we were totally unprepared militarily for one; 3) it was specifically this fear which made him opposed to Adams because he feared him blundering into war with France. Not only that but he opposed war even though it would have given him command of our armies which he had always wanted being a military man at heart.

Adams was not “scheming” with the French. Jefferson had NO authority to scheme with the French as VP. Unless the President is removed from office VP has no official role in foreign relations outside what the President asks him to do.

Nor was Hamilton in any way subordinate to Adams before his appointment as Washington’s deputy commander hence he could not have been “subordinate”. After his appointment he did as told. You would have the same right as Hamilton to respond to cabinet members queries and requests for help.

Any relation between Jefferson’s rhetoric and the truth was strictly accidental.

I never said what you claimed so there was no need for me to “backtrack” and your quote of my comment shows exactly that. While there were very few true economists at that time Hamilton was the best the US had and few of his statements or beliefs have ever been shown to be theoretically incorrect even by today’s standards.


814 posted on 09/15/2010 9:20:21 AM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob
1. Hamilton schemed for war with FRANCE, not England. He was a lifelong Anglophile.

2. Adams got us out of the Quasi War by sending a peace mission to France under William Vans Murray with instructions to negotiate. The mission was successful and was carried out against vocal protests of the Hamilton-controlled elements of the cabinet, directly prompting Adams to sack his Secretaries of State and War.

3. By engaging in foreign policy as Vice President, Jefferson was no more guilty than Washington or Adams when they took unstated powers upon themselves as President. If Adams disapproved, it was strictly between him and Jefferson to resolve. And NOWHERE was Hamilton empowered to do anything of any sort involving the foreign policy of the United States after he resigned in disgrace from the Treasury Department.

815 posted on 09/15/2010 4:08:41 PM PDT by conimbricenses (Red means run son, numbers add up to nothing.)
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To: arrogantsob
Hamilton was the best the US had and few of his statements or beliefs have ever been shown to be theoretically incorrect even by today’s standards.

Oh really?

"A fourth argument, one that was made by Alexander Hamilton and continues to be repeated down to the present, is that free trade would be fine if all other countries practiced free trade but that, so long as they do not, the United States cannot afford to. This argument has no validity whatsoever, either in principle or in practice. Other countries that impose restrictions on international trade do hurt us. But they also hurt themselves. Aside from the three cases just considered, if we impose restrictions in turn, we simply add to the harm to ourselves and also harm them as well. Competition in masochism and sadism is hardly a prescription for sensible international economic policy" - Milton Friedman

818 posted on 09/15/2010 5:21:12 PM PDT by conimbricenses (Red means run son, numbers add up to nothing.)
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