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To: arrogantsob
Since I was born and raised in the South I was educated to believe Jefferson was almost perfect and Hamilton was the Devil’s own hand in American politics.

I don't think that's necessarily a southern thing. Hamilton and Jefferson tend to rise and fall in estimation vis-a-vis one another every couple of decades. The trouble with it all is a tendency to instill perceptions of the two as a "saint" or "devil," and fetishize with one while demonizng the other accordingly. Though resist admitting it and may not even realize its extent yourself, your Hamiltonian partisanship takes on an extreme character, as does your Jefferson hatred, both of which are obscuring your ability to conduct measured factual analysis of each man.

It was HE would warned (through Washington’s lips) about the danger of permanent attachments to any nation.

And in doing so Hamilton only demonstrated his duplicitous political tendencies. It would be laughably absurd for the architect of the Jay Treaty to turn around and denounce entangling foreign alliances only a few years later, except that he did just that.

His “protectionism” was merely an accompaniment unavoidable in a revenue tariff or to build up defense industries.

Have you not even bothered to read Hamilton's writings on trade? Or are you simply so smitten by your Hamiltonian man-crush that you cannot recognize its plain text?

Hamilton was a proponent of protectionism FOR explicitly protective purposes - i.e. infant industry and manufacturing development - from around 1779 onward. Yes, his tariffs also generated revenue as most tariffs are prone to do, but their aim was explicitly protective as Hamilton stated in great detail in his Treasury report on Manufactures.

823 posted on 09/21/2010 3:16:14 PM PDT by conimbricenses (Red means run son, numbers add up to nothing.)
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To: conimbricenses

The Jay Treaty was in no way an “entangling foreign alliance”. It gave England nothing it had not already taken and prevented the building of forts at inconvenient places in North America as well as leading to the removal of the forts occupied contrary to the Peace Treaty.

Any weaknesses in the treaty would have been removed had the Democrats allowed Hamilton to go to England to negotiate it. But they were so afraid of his political ascendency that they would not allow his appointment. Jay, as capable as he was, was no Hamilton and the failures in the treaty flowed from his incapacities.

The protective aspects of the tariff as proposed by H were primarily directed at manufacturing necessary for a strong national defense. It was not a high tariff and his arguments regarding “infant industries” held sway for over a century and not just, as you noted, within the US. But even so it was not a protective tariff but designed to maximize revenues within the above constraints.

I have a “man-crush” on ALL patriots who put the needs of the Union above petty personal and regional concerns.


829 posted on 09/21/2010 8:32:56 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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