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To: arrogantsob
France was ATTACKING our ships at sea.

They were seizing prizes of war engaged in the British trade under the pro-British exclusivity terms of the Jay Treaty.

Was France in the right to do so? No. But was it entirely unprovoked either? No. And Adams was sensible enough to negotiate a peaceful resolution to the problem at a time when Hamilton was trying to drive us head first into an all out war so his little standing army wouldn't go to waste.

834 posted on 09/21/2010 9:43:20 PM PDT by conimbricenses (Red means run son, numbers add up to nothing.)
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To: conimbricenses

Hamilton was instructed by Washington to draw up guidelines for Jay and one of his two “inflexible” rules was American ships MUST BE granted UNRESTRICTED entry into the West Indies. The other was that no resulting treaty was to be entered into that would affect unfavorably the existing treaty with FRANCE.

And you complain about Hamilton, why?

And keep lying about Pacificus as a war monger, why?

I note you keep ignoring the fact that the democrats had prevented our ablest negotiator ENTIRELY FOR POLITICAL REASONS from undertaking the negotiations himself.

Much of the opposition to the treaty Jay brought home was that it did not address the slavers’ chief concern - payment for slaves freed by the British during the War.

It did open up the Indies to American ships, opened the Mississippi to ships from both nations, obtained payment for American ships seized by the Brits, and began the removal of British forts within the US something we did not have a military capable of addressing. It opened the West to settlement by reducing the danger from British backed Indian attacks.

France did not start seizing American ships after the treaty it had been doing so before and it was not just seizing war materials either but deliberately violated American neutrality by dragging prizes into our ports to the insane cheers of the Jeffersonian rabble.


840 posted on 09/21/2010 10:29:15 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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