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To: RobinMasters
I have a basic problem with the birth certificate situation. If one lives in a state which requires birth certificates for a driver license, and then gets pulled over by a police officer, that officer does not generally have a right to demand a birth certificate. He is not able to say he doesn't think the DMV did their job and so you have to prove it to him. The license is already a legal proof that your birth certificate was provided when asked for.

In our system a person is required to be a natural born citizen in order to hold the office of president, and I think such should be ensured. However, just as the police officer generally has to accept the license as proof that the birth certificate was already seen and accepted, the electorate has to accept that, once sworn in, the relevant bona fides were seen and accepted by whatever authority is responsible. It may have been screwed up for all I know, but I am afraid none of us, including unfortunately people in the military, have any standing to argue that we need to see proof of birth from President Obama.

Our chance for demanding more was during the election, and thanks to a lack of any press, we missed that. And it was worse things, IMHO, than the birth certificate. Why was nobody demanding that the man who was actively campaigning as the "smart" guy provide a record of his grades and work in university? I couldn't get a job in the White House right now if I refused to release my school information, and yet he is able to be the President without anyone ever seeing anything he did in university. That a candidate for the highest office in the land was able to simply refuse to allow anyone at all to see anything he did in school, and never faced a single objection or question from anyone in the press bothers me more than anything.

It was incumbent on the media to ask tough questions of the candidates, and to demand, on the behalf of the voters, an accounting of the past records relevant to a candidates ability to carry out the duties of his office. How a candidate performed in school, and what he wrote while there, is absolutely relevant to an election and we were denied that, as well as any evidence of citizenship. What we need more than anything is a real press.

12 posted on 08/22/2010 6:38:09 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: cothrige

How about a real candidate who will ask questions the MSM won’t?


14 posted on 08/22/2010 6:41:57 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: cothrige
It was incumbent on the media to ask tough questions of the candidates, ...

We do have confirmation that all of the journOlists did their job to ensure that Barack Obama was elected to the highest office in the land. There were plenty of legal challenges to force Zero to prove his natural born status prior to the election - not one of those challenges could force Zero to produce his birth record that tells us what hospital he was born in and who the delivering doctor was.

Ann Coulter must know what hospital he was born in and have seen the document because she called "birthers" kooks! Never mind the simple fact that a legal birth record is all that "birthers" are looking for! Wow - kooky people that want to see the constitution folowed. Ann lost alot of credibility by siding with Obama's team.

21 posted on 08/22/2010 7:02:05 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: cothrige

Actually, the 20th Amendment says that if a President elect “fails to qualify” by Jan 20th the vice president elect is to “act as President until a President shall have qualified.”

The HDOH has made a statutory admission that Obama’s birth certificate is amended. According to Hawaii law, that means his birth certificate has no legal value unless it is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body and determined to be probative. We know that Obama fought hard to make sure that never happened.

On Jan 20th obody in this entire nation could legally say what age Obama was (or today, for that matter) because the facts of his birth (based on a Hawaii BC) have never been legally determined. There is no way he “qualified” by Jan 20, 2009. We know that the only person the Constitution allows to act as President right now is Joe Biden.

That may be why Justice Stevens called Joe Biden “Mr. President” after swearing him in.


33 posted on 08/22/2010 7:25:14 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: cothrige
However, just as the police officer generally has to accept the license as proof that the birth certificate was already seen and accepted, the electorate has to accept that, once sworn in, the relevant bona fides were seen and accepted by whatever authority is responsible.

I do not think the electorate has to accept anyone's misfeasance or nonfeasance as prima facie evidence that they did their job. Even the wording of the oath they took was changed to eliminate the part about having seen proof.

It was incumbent on the media to ask tough questions of the candidates, and to demand, on the behalf of the voters, an accounting of the past records relevant to a candidates ability to carry out the duties of his office.

When the media are promoting the candidate, they cannot be relied upon to vett the candidate.

Any 'negligence' on their part was willful. That leaves the People of the United States to do the job. In attempting to do the job the media would not do, the media have been obstacles in the court of public opinion to every effort to get to the bottom of what is being actively hidden (the records were sealed by executive order).

It would be ridiculous to assume anything other than their complicity, in that their own attack on those trying to get the information indicates that they are in on the entire affair, and the Journo-list of hundreds of media personages colluding to elect Barack Obama to the office of POTUS indicates there is no claim of neutrality to be made: they are co-conspirators in any fraud that has taken place with their assistance, and accessories at the least.

If there is in fact wrongdoing present and this were prosecuted to the fullest legal extent, the list of accessories before and after the fact, of those conspiring to overthrow the Constitutional Government of the United States would be extensive indeed.

Any usurpation of power conducted through fraud is nothing less than a Coup.

90 posted on 08/23/2010 10:58:50 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: cothrige
In our system a person is required to be a natural born citizen in order to hold the office of president, and I think such should be ensured. However, just as the police officer generally has to accept the license as proof that the birth certificate was already seen and accepted, the electorate has to accept that, once sworn in, the relevant bona fides were seen and accepted by whatever authority is responsible.

Ultimately, the responsibility falls upon the electors to verify that they are voting for an eligible candidate, and upon the members of Congress to verify that the counted votes are cast for eligible candidates. Both the Electoral College and the Congress were apparently satisfied that there was no problem in this case.

105 posted on 08/26/2010 11:56:36 AM PDT by zort
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