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To: Boogieman
you just used a lot of works and totally ignored all of the instinct that has been bred into these dogs.
I've been professionally training dogs for over 4 decades. We start our 6 week old border collie pups on a herd of ducks and sort out a litter at that time. Almost all of the pups want to work at that time. They have been bred to work, they have been bred for the herding instinct. It has nothing to do with how they have been treated or handled. They have hardly been out of the kennels and runs at that age. It is all about instinct and nothing else. Pitts have been bred to bite and fight for hundreds of years and that too is all about instinct. It is a part of them that will always be there. There is nothing you can do to take it out. If you are good enough you can modify it with proper training and supervision/containment but the instinct, although modified, will still be there. If you notice the reports that you see in the news it is almost always a case of the dogs getting out and attacking when the owner/handler is not present. Unsupervised these dogs have reverted to instinct. I worked/trained dogs for the military for many years. I have handled and trained every type of dog in their inventory. They do not use pitts because they are unpredictable and not too quick to learn in a training environment. Train-ability is judged by the number of repetitions it takes for a dog/breed to learn a new command. The actually count and hook a number to it so it is objective and not subjective. Pit Bulls are way down on the list of how fast they learn and how smart they are.
41 posted on 10/22/2010 11:49:29 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Rangers lead the way...... Delta, the original European home land security)
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To: oldenuff2no; Boogieman

oldenuff2no loves to go on and on about the integrity of a dog’s instinct, but neglects to acknowledge that if a dog is bred for pit fighting, it must also be bred to avoid biting a man.
No, pit bulls just magically inherit a taste for human blood, despite what they were bred for. Every other dog remains true to it’s roots, but not the pit bull.


44 posted on 10/23/2010 12:02:32 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (To be determined...)
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To: oldenuff2no

“you just used a lot of works and totally ignored all of the instinct that has been bred into these dogs.”

Well, a dog acting viciously solely based on instinct is a result of improper training or abuse, which I did cover in my post. You assert that pits are less intelligent and harder to train than many breeds, but that only means it takes more effort to train them properly. It’s unfortunate that many of their owners don’t take that extra effort, but that is solely the fault of the owners, not the animal.


49 posted on 10/23/2010 10:08:36 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: oldenuff2no

If I can sum up what I am seeing here on this thread:

Pitbull owners feel that society should adjust and accept the disproportionate fatalities and maimings caused by pitbulls.

While deaths and maimings from pitbulls cost our society financially and personally, pitbull owners feel that they should be exempt from addressing these issues or submitting to additional measures to try to bring the fatality level down. They just don’t care and don’t want to hear about it.
It makes them angry when others discuss it.

Statistics, the experience of dog trainers, the experience of the military which apply to these dogs should be considered invalid if some people own a pitbull who hasn’t attacked anyone yet.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is stupid, irrational, ignorant or a ‘tool’.


51 posted on 10/23/2010 11:25:47 AM PDT by ransomnote
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