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To: Lurker
"I will glorify it. It is hands down the most rugged and reliable combat rifle ever made, bar none."

BS. The M1 Garand was. Past that newer versions of the M16/Ar 15 are far more accurate then the AK47. Only hits count.

16 posted on 10/30/2010 7:01:51 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223

10=4 om the Garand. Not only Hits but also retained energy.
.223 vs 762x39. Ugly, but a lot of bang for the buck/ I will take a couple.


33 posted on 10/30/2010 7:57:08 PM PDT by barb-tex (What else did you expect from the likes of 0?)
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To: blackbart.223

If the Garand was all that we’d still be using it. Besides a decent Garand will set you back a grand or so from a modern manufacturer. For that money you can get two AK’s and a tin of ammo.

Every other weapon mentioned on this thread are fine choices, and I own examples of several. But if NASA dropped by my house tonight, told me I was going to another planet tomorrow morning, and I could only take one firearm, it would be my AK.

No doubt.

For less than 1500 bucks every member of my family has a serious, rugged, reliable to a fault combat weapon and a full tin of ammo.

Try that with an AR, FN, or M1A.


34 posted on 10/30/2010 8:00:33 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: blackbart.223

>>”I will glorify it. It is hands down the most rugged and reliable combat rifle ever made, bar none.”
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>BS. The M1 Garand was. Past that newer versions of the M16/Ar 15 are far more accurate then the AK47. Only hits count.

Er, the M-16/AR-15 can only hit when they will fire; the only reason that the M-16 and decedents are still in-use is because of the sheer amount of money that’s been thrown at them trying to correct design-deficiencies. (The way I heard it the original M-16 was altered w/o the gun’s designer’s consent by someone who didn’t know what they were doing [or thought they knew] and that introduced the majority of the M-16’s quirks; I’m not sure if it’s a true- story though.)

The truth of the whole matter is that American guns *SUCK* when they enter the “full-auto” category because, IMO, there’s too little incentive for the manufacturers to improve. Because of the Gun Control Act the general population will NEVER fire an automatic weapon; and those who have some demand for them are government-agencies which introduces their wonderful problem-solving abilities:
1: If it “kinda works” it’s “good enough”... even if you have to sacrifice 6 goats at midnight on a full-moon to get it to operate.
{Hence the saying “good enough for government work.”}
2: If if’s connected to someone with clout, don’t touch it.
{Hence the sorry state that Social Security is in... the senior citizens don’t want anyone touching it.}
3: If there’s a way to throw more money at it, perhaps commissioning ‘studies’ and ‘special committees,’ all the better...
{after all, creating such organizations is a great way for government toadies to pay their supporters.}


105 posted on 10/31/2010 7:37:03 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: blackbart.223

I agree hits count, love the M1 grand, M14, hate the M16 and sure the soldiers that died in Nam trying to unjam it did too (the early model) I had the M14 when I was there. But I love the ak47 just because, like the M14 I can drag it through the mud and beat the hell out of it and it will still shoot every round without fail. M1 grand, yeah that is a whole different class of rifle, like comparing apples and oranges, the M1 is not an assault weapon, neither was the M14 even though they wanted it to be, it was too damn heavy and long. But I do get your point about accuracy, one shot one kill, kind of a Marine motto in my book


140 posted on 12/17/2011 4:56:48 PM PST by mcamp
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