Posted on 01/03/2011 1:38:47 PM PST by Lmo56
Arizona state politicians will introduce model legislation this week to encourage states to prevent children of illegal immigrants from being granted citizenship under the 14th Amendment.
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One of the biggest problems is that Mexicans are having children in the U.S. just so that they can use those children to stay in the U.S. Many of the children are being raised to consider themselves as Mexicans not Americans. Recent polls show that over half of Mexican “immigrants” have no desire to become Americans, they just want the benefits of living on American soil. One of the most basic laws of our country is that allegiance and citizenship must go hand in hand. You can not have one without the other. When children are born here and been here for many years and still do not speak English fluently, they should be considered Mexican citizens.
“Someone should not be granted US Citizenship simply because their parents claim they were born here, or they were born here. Children of visiting dignitaries/embassy staff aren’t given citizenship (that I know of)”
Actually, children of visiting dignities that choose to accept American citizenship, can and do receive it.
I disagree with your premise. If it can be proven that the child was in fact born in America, they ought to have citizenship. Punish the parents but not the child.
“Lets assume my parents were to rob a bank, but then they gave all the money to me. Should I be allowed to keep that money? I didn’t rob the bank...”
Well for one, granting citizenship to the child isn’t theft.
The crime is the breach in the laws. To commit a legal act through illegal means, would be like robbing a bank in order to feed the homeless.
Who is responsible? The bank robber. What would the punishment be if the robber could not pay the money back? the thief would go to jail. Do you take the food from the homeless and let the thief go? No. You punish the one responsible.
Suppose I were to say the following:
“One of the essential beliefs in America is that all people should be considered equal. Including homosexuals.
Anyone who believes that homosexuality is abhorrent is not an American citizen because they reject the allegience of the nation.”
So they would be deported and citizenship stripped.
Yes, it has and does happen. In totalitarian countries all around the world, to strip political dissidents of their citizenship rights.
Citizenship isn’t a right *granted* by the state, but is God-given upon birth in the nation. Permitting the state to strip citizens of their status is wrong, and troubling.
Yes, you are right that immigrants ought to assimilate. That they ought to learn the language. That their first loyalty ought to be to America, and if it isn’t that they should return to Mexico. Or Haiti, or wherever the case may be.
Birthright citizenship is revolutionary in that it hinders tyrants. Do you really expect the left, when given the ability to strip people of their citizenship is going to do it in the manner you would like? No. They will strip political dissidents for shock and awe, while opening up the borders (offering honorary citizenship to all).
Provided of course you are reliable support for them.
Yeah, birthright citizenship isn’t perfect, but it’s much better than the alternatives.
Stripping the child of their citizenship is wrong. It is not the state’s to take away.
You are not "punishing" a child by not giving them what they are not due. The only way I would be willing to allow them to be citizens is if their parents gave them up for adoption, the adoptive parents are citizens, and the birth parents removed themselves back to Mexico.
Birthright citizenship is for those born here of parents SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION of the United States. That means foreigners are NOT eligible unless they are here LEGALLY, as IMMIGRANTS. Foreigners do NOT owe their allegiance to these United States so their downloads do not qualify for citizenship. Period. That you advocate such speaks poorly about your judgment and knowledge.
“Yes, you are right that immigrants ought to assimilate.”
First question on the “assimilation” exam:
Do you believe that citizenship in the United States is, at least, worth following the process to legally become a citizen here?
Accepting a gift of money from a bank robber isn't theft either.
I love dominos.
What you write is nonsensical. Most countries dont grant citizenship just because youre born there if your parents are foreigners. The 14th amendment was not intended to enable illegal invaders.
Exactly. Well said. There seem to be a plethora of addkebrained liberal posting tonight.
Bravo !
Most countries aren’t America. There’s a reason why they are stagnating.
Do you think it would benefit America to do things their way? No. It’s a competitive advantage.
“You are not stripping a child of their citizenship. They are citizens of Mexico, born to 2 parents who are Mexican citizens.”
How is the child a citizen of Mexico when she hasn’t even stepped foot in Mexico. She’s just as much a citizen as anyone.
The parents, yes, they are citizens of Mexico. But the child is an American. Do you think it’s going to help assimilation if people have to wait generations before they become ‘american’? No.
“You are not “punishing” a child by not giving them what they are not due.”
The law as it reads, states that anyone born in America is an American. Period. You are stripping their citizenship away from them for something they have no control. Did they tell their parents to come illegally? No.
“The only way I would be willing to allow them to be citizens is if their parents gave them up for adoption, the adoptive parents are citizens, and the birth parents removed themselves back to Mexico.”
This is precisely what I suggested. The parents have two options. One, give their child up for adoptions to another American citizen, or leave the country. However, the child would still retain their status as an American citizen and would get to choose when they reach the age of majority.
It is not fair to deprive the child of their citizenship for something they are not responsible.
“have no loyalty to or interest in the US”
Great. Sounds like an excellent argument for deporting everyone who has no loyalty or interest in the US.
What if I don’t even know the money has been placed into my account? How am I accepting the money when it was deposited in there without my knowledge?
A child has no clue that their parents are illegal aliens.
Absolutely. Have I said otherwise? The parents who come here illegally are breaking the law. I agree with you that under no circumstances should they continue to reside in America.
The answer isn’t a bad law when you cannot enforce the law as it stands. If you aren’t going to deport illegal aliens, then what’s the point of having an immigration law at all. The laws as they stand need to be enforced, and those who are obstructing the application of the law need to be replaced.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that there is a serious problem. Where we disagree is in the solution. I believe that the solution you suggest has serious unintended consequences that must be taken into account.
I do not believe the solution to the immigration laws is to build a walled garden. Rather than assisting assimilation, the suggested laws will hinder it drastically.
That was my point. If you know you're taking stolen money you're an accomplice. If you don't you're not charged with a crime but you do have to return the money.
A child has no clue that their parents are illegal aliens.
Is that the position you want to take? That the children of illegal aliens are dumber than fence posts? Regardless of that the law is the law. As they say; ignorance of the law is no excuse.
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