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To: McGavin999

“The child is a citizen of Mexico the same way an American child is an American no matter where they are born as long as they are the child of two American parents.”

Ok. But if a child is born in Mexico to two American citizens they are Mexican and have American citizenship.

“You keep saying we are “punishing” the child.”

Yes, the proposed law as written has one consequence. The child shall be punished by stripping them of citizenship. It does nothing to the parents, the ones who are responsible, but attacks the innocent.

You might as well mandate that everyone in the country illegally must have an abortion.

“What about the children of the people who are waiting in line to come here legally.”

What about them? They were born in another country.

“You have punished THEM by forcing them to wait.”

I’ve done no such thing. I’ve been a proponent of having no waiting period at all provided that the family pay a fee, and social assistance isn’t available for them, meaning they must work to survive.

It’s people like you who argue that those who want to become Americans must wait according to some arbitrary quota limit established by Woodrow Wilson.

“They have to wait because too many have broken into the line. They wouldn’t have to wait so long if it were not for those who pushed them aside and willing broke our laws. Talk about unfair!”

My family didn’t have to wait, because the policy of the time was that anyone could come to America to settle and live here. Wilson changed all that and lowered an arbitrary quota. You sir are advocating for an outdated and useless immigration policy that neither does what Americans desire in putting an effective limit on immigration, nor does it ensure effective immigration control.

“The law is as it reads alright, it reads “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” and being here illegally they are not subject tot he jurisdiction there of, any more then someone who breaks into your house is subject to your rules. They broke the rules.”

The child broke no rules. It’s like being held at gunpoint and sent into a house to rob it. Is the infant child responsible for the break in? No. Do you punish only the child? No. But that is what this policy does. It punishes the only innocent without any consequences for the illegal aliens who committed the crime.

“We are not depriving them of their citizenship, they are citizens of Mexico.”

The child is a citizen of America, through the same way that many do, by being born on American soil.


77 posted on 01/04/2011 9:29:58 AM PST by BenKenobi (Rush speaks! I hear, I obey)
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To: BenKenobi
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think someone sneaking across the border and spurting out a child automatically makes that child a citizen entitled to everything that a legal citizen is entitled to.

You obviously have a pretty low estimation of the value of American citizenship if you are so willing to hand it out to all comers.

90 posted on 01/04/2011 5:02:09 PM PST by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: BenKenobi

BTW, when anyone could come here we didn’t provide free schooling, food stamps, free medical, aid to the homeless etc. You came here and you could either sink or swim, now they come here and I have to pay for their swimming lessons, cell phones, education, medical care, and they still work under the table and send money home to Mexico because WE pay for all their necessities.


91 posted on 01/04/2011 5:05:36 PM PST by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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