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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Interesting, in re to the SC secession document that you provided a link to, you have to go through 14 paragraphs of reasons as to why they felt compelled to secede before there is ANYTHING mentioned connected to slavery. The concept of state sovereignty, however, appears as early as paragraph six and is sprinkled throughout the document.

So, thanks for confirming the southern perspective. It is, as I have maintained for some time, that you can find writings that support “slavery was the cause” and can find writings that slavery was only one of the reasons. And yet, people in your camp focus on, and point to, slavery as THE cause despite the overwhelming documentation that demonstrates it was not. (The example that YOU YOURSELF provided being just one.) You can point to the “slavery” writings forever, but until you acknowledge that other writings exist you are not being intellectually honest. Of course, once you acknowledge that they do exist, you can never again make the “it was only about slavery” argument.

Which explains a lot.


56 posted on 01/11/2011 6:13:24 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
You can point to the “slavery” writings forever, but until you acknowledge that other writings exist you are not being intellectually honest. Of course, once you acknowledge that they do exist, you can never again make the “it was only about slavery” argument.

Note that I not only acknowledge that other writings exist, I provided links to the entire text so anyone can go read them. And note that I never made any argument that "it was only about slavery". Instead, I was refuting the intellectually dishonest arguments that "it had nothing to do with slavery" or that "slavery was a peripheral issue".
88 posted on 01/11/2011 11:09:06 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Lee'sGhost; AnotherUnixGeek
Lee'sGhost: "Interesting, in re to the SC secession document that you provided a link to, you have to go through 14 paragraphs of reasons as to why they felt compelled to secede before there is ANYTHING mentioned connected to slavery."

You misread it. It's only about slavery.

Here is the key statement:

"On the 4th day of March next, this party [abolitionist Republicans] will take possession of the Government.
It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States."
That is their key reason, and it is false.
112 posted on 01/11/2011 1:12:37 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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