Posted on 01/21/2011 8:11:30 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
Do either of you know if a newly issued COLB is an automated form? In other words, does the computer pull information and fill-in the COLB fields automatically? Or are the details of a COLB manually entered when one requests a copy of the COLB?
I ask because I’d be curious what HDOH would say if someone were to request a fresh copy of Obama’s COLB? I wonder if that COLB could then be compared to the one that Gibbs stated that he put on the internet? Since the COLB is already released, no additional “privacy” issues apply. IMO, of course.
His mother alone, wasn’t old enough to confer citizenship.
I agree with Rush and Hannity on this one. It smells. Abercombie could not have pursued this without a known end game and permission from the White House. This story is not what it seems.
I believe that he is setting up a legal defense in advance of a civil or criminal case involving the defrauding of donors to a specific hosptial on Oahu perhaps? Remember he was the one circulating the fundraising letter that had the official seal and Obama’s signature on it stating that Obama was born in Kapi’olani Hospital. It was taken out of circulation after the issue was raised that the hospital would not verify that Obama was born there.
There may be a criminal or civil case being developed against Abercrombie in connection with this. This way he can say he didn’t know Obama didn’t have the bona fides that he claimed he did.
It’s my understanding that, to be a natural born US citizen, BOTH parents have to be US citizens at the moment of the child’s birth.
Don’t be pissed. It could have been worse — it could have been Idi Amin instead. You never know who or what democrats will come up with next time.
“Do either of you know if a newly issued COLB is an automated form? In other words, does the computer pull information and fill-in the COLB fields automatically? Or are the details of a COLB manually entered when one requests a copy of the COLB?
I ask because I’d be curious what HDOH would say if someone were to request a fresh copy of Obama’s COLB? I wonder if that COLB could then be compared to the one that Gibbs stated that he put on the internet? Since the COLB is already released, no additional “privacy” issues apply. IMO, of course”
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Your question is not a simple one due to changes Hawaii made deliberately to confuse things. They now refer to Birth Certificates that are filled out by parents and doctors in a Hospital as a Certificate of Live Birth. They ALS refer to a computer generated copy of birth information as a Certificate of live birt. Obviously the two are not the same, but this is one of the many tactics that Hawaii is using to muddy the waters as much as they can.
So, if I wanted a copy of my long form, which has a doctors signature on it, then I CAN get it, but right now, the Director of HDOH Dr. Alvin T. Onaka has to personally ok these copies, and you have to send it Return Reciept Requested and then force the clerks to go find it. Onaka was ignoring those requests when I got mine in late September of this year.
If you do not specifically state that this is the form you want a copy of, they will only send you the computer printed certificate of live birth which looks like what Obama posted on FactCheck.
Thus, if you (as if you could) request a COLB from Hawaii on Obama, you would have to SPECIFICALLY request the long form with a Doctor’s signature on it from Dr. Onaka. Otherwise they would send out the computer generated one and tell you that “this is what you asked for”.
Yes, its B.S.
I hope this answeres your question.
Doesn’t quite answer my question, but thanks for all of the info.
What I’d like to see is a fresh copy directly from HDOH of the COLB (short form) which is on Factcheck.
I’d like to see if HDOH would deny a request for something that is already in the public domain. IMO, HDOH can’t claim a privacy issue if they’ve already released it.
My hunch is, that a freshly released COLB would not match up in content to the one on Factcheck.
My next hunch is, that HDOH would attempt to deny the request, further raising questions in the media and blogosphere about the fake COLB on Factcheck and Kos.
If HDOH were to say “sorry we can’t release the short form COLB due to privacy issues”, it could indicate that HDOH never released the COLB which is posted Factcheck - which would serve to prove that it’s fake.
Maobama will be long out of office after his second term before anyone ever proves that his birth certificate issue, if it is an issue, is a valid issue. He will be on the communist talk TV programs talking down to us about how lucky we were to have him—that is if he hasn’t declared himself president for life. In case you were too busy Christmas shopping, the spineless Republicans were busy giving him back his momentum during the 2010 lame duck. In case you’re too busy attacking people who don’t march in lock step with your one issue conspiracy theory(and it may be truly a valid issue—there, happy?) RINOs on capitol hill are busy trying to co-opt and diminish the TEA Party supported newly elected representatives and senators so said RINOs can continue to dance to the Potomac Two Step. In case you were otherwise preoccupied with your one issue one horse race, oil prices have shot up in part because the dictator has decreed that there won’t be any oil drilling in US territory-unless George Soros is getting the benefit thru his ties to Petrobas and Mexispic (or whatever the hell they call their mexican oil company). The list of his travesties goes on and on and on and the items are iminently provable. What has that proof gotten? So I may agree with your conspiracy theory on the birth certificate issue, so what? When will that outweigh anything else the turd in chief is/has done and topple him out of office in shame——probably never. Enjoy your day and your conspiracy.
What are the fundamentals? Answer: The Constitution and the rule of law!
And...It does seem that the birthers can multi-task. Look at the results of the 2010 election.
So...No, I don't think you will get the birthers to shut up about Obama’s eligibility. Why? Answer: Because having a natural born citizen sitting in the White House is **FUNDAMENTAL** to the Constitution and the rule of law!
Fact: There is no conspiracy on the part of the birthers.
Fact: It is a simple matter to prove or disprove one’s natural born citizenship.
Fact: Obama has been politely asked by some American citizens. A few of those citizens have been military officers.
Fact: The **only** evidence available of Obama’s eligibility have been a few Internet images of a dubious origin, highly massaged statements from Fukino that say nothing, and hearsay from Lingle.
Fact: A **real** American president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove with *all* of the *best* evidence that he was a natural born citizen. He would be especially pleased to do this for the military.
The only one who can order that would be Obama or a family member of his.
It does not matter if the currect document is real and factual. Hawaii isn’t ever going to look at it that way. Once it leaves their office they are not responsible for it or where it shows up. They do not consider that.
Only Obama can release the records, and he won’t because he can’t.
You don’t seem to understand where I’m coming from.
Congress needs to be working on undoing the garbage the illegal usurper has already done and would like to keep doing - and we have a R majority in the House that seems intent on doing that, and some good freshmen in the Senate who are also committed to that. I am not urging Congress to do anything on the eligibility issue; they’ve got other priorities, like you say.
But this is a state issue, as the CRS said. The states decide what protocols and procedures they will use in order to choose their presidential electors. And that includes the way that they will ascertain that the person their elector is pledged to vote for is Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS.
All we need is for one state to enact a law such as the one I have suggested, and then the whole country can know that the obstacles keeping the whole country from being able to LEGALLY vet the candidate have been dealt with. That is what I am urging everyone to make sure that at least one state does, in time for it to be in effect for the 2012 election.
How can anybody have a gripe with that? It takes NOTHING away from Congress’ efforts to undo the other stuff, which I also support. We’ve been hit with a multi-pronged attack and we have to win on all fronts. Fighting this front is doing NOTHING to damage any other front. By directing the battle to the states where the people have more influence, I’m actually working to clear this issue AWAY from Congress so they can deal with undoing the damage already done.
If your big issue is RINO’s, the most effective way for us to get them (and everybody else) to actually implement the will of their constituents is to break down the monopoly and power of the media-politician cabal in DC. If the truth was ever fully known on this one issue it would send shock waves that would impact that cabal for a long, long time.
In fact, Jeff Kuhner is saying that the media people say they won’t touch this issue precisely because they know that it would have such huge implications for everything. IOW, they say it matters TOO MUCH. This isn’t piddles. This gets to the very rule of law and the very idea that government is accountable to the PEOPLE. That is the essence of what America and our Constitution are all about. In a rubber-hits-the-road way, this issue IS the Constitution, and the politicians and media all know it, which is why they fear it.
And that is precisely why those politicians and media need to be met head-on. We can not let the Constitution die within our lifetime. If we want our kids to have any earthly future in this place, we need to fight for them right now, by getting our state legislators to pass the right bill.
The HDOH has received and denied so many requests for that, that they tried to pass a law basically undoing Hawaii’s open records law because they said they were very “vexed” by so many requests.
They won’t even disclose a non-certified copy of Obama’s COLB, even though their Administrative Rules allow it and UIPA thus REQUIRES it.
There are at least 4 different reasons that their UIPA law allows disclosure of the records they are insisting on denying - since
1) a non-certified copy of the COLB was always supposed to be discloseable, according HRS 338-18a which deferred to HDOH Administrative Rules that allowed disclosure;
2) once there was a “scintilla of public interest” in even confidential records, that interest outweighed any privacy protections
3) once Obama claimed to publish it, there was no longer any privacy issue at all;
4) once the HDOH made a public announcement about it, UIPA then REQUIRED the documents to be disclosed on request, even if there had been legitimate privacy concerns.
Hawaii officials are totally lying about their laws, over and over and over again. They have been told the reasons their claims are wrong, over and over and over again.
The only way to end this garbage is to have a state require the real goods, in a setting where people will be liable for perjury if they keep lying like this. That’s why passing an effective state eligibility law is so important right now.
You’re both preaching to the choir. All the choir is trying to tell you is there are a lot of things that turd and his buddies do to us and none of it gets challenged effectively by the people in office who should be doing it. Are they going to listen to you, or you, or me? Any of them? They aren’t listening too well at present. We have a lot of work to do. That doesn’t mean that I don’t get to take issue with your approach to solving the problem, or offer my valid (some of them are anyway) thoughts. But since its so damned important to you for me to affirm that you’re right, you’re right , now, what’s your plan to get the indisputible proof of your argument out there in the public eye so that the glitterati have no excuse to ignore it any longer and are forced to take action to put Biden in the Oval Office? Then, can we work on repealing the 17th amendment?
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